We should really have a talk about this scam that "Men peak in their 40s", it's not helping the young fellas at all

[Fortune_favors_the_bold]

There is this insane idea that men peak in their 40s so they should hold it in their 20s and 30s while working to get as high as possible in their peak while disregarding thei current condition.

I'm sure it's unbelievable BS.

I'm 40 myself and even though I'm better off economically than my 20s and 30s, there is no chance in hell that a single factor among many could overtake all the others.

If the focus is just the ability to get women, it's even more obvious.
Yeah you are taken more seriously from women but it's the ones above late 20s and for reason beyong genuine attraction.

Young fresh attractive girls are not into older guys unless they passed the no longer fresh threeshold in their late 20s.
They dont want to rub them to you on the dance floor and see what happens, they want to "date" and get to know each other first with all the dancing around and entertainment.

Then the fact that if you need financial strenght and status to get a woman, it's very likely she wants a long term arrangement to secure her lifestyle...that's not about attraction but calculation and settling and for sure it's not anything peak related.

Your peak is when as many factors as possible of yourself are in the top wheter it's mere aesthetics, looks, energy, strenght, status, finance and so on.

Guys at 40, if you spend the whole day doing stuff you dont have the energy to pull an all nighter running clubs and flirting...and even if you get the hottie at bed at 5am, you're very unlikely to nail her hard, you probably just do a quickie to get a return on your investment then collapse at bed.

Many would rather not dress at all and watch a movie on their sleepers at 10pm then go to bed before midnight.

Keeping that six pack (if you have it) it's way more expensive than 10 years before.

If women get jaded with age and experience, we get detached and aloof but for real not as a trick.

The best suggestions we should give guys is to improve their condition in terms of aesthetics, lifestyle and positioning for the future as much as possible but WITHIN A CERTAIN WINDOW.

Better be in a decent shape and with a pleasant lifestyle at 28 then grinding hard and avoiding the fun in order to be in elite shape and rich at 38...you dont get the same that you get in the first case.

Even with a long term view where you want to get a great girl and settle down, having a family and kids...you still need to get the best resources in the optimal timeframe and that's girls below mid 20s before they ruin themselves and turn into agenda mode to secure a lifestyle.

A clean starting point where you grow together in the long terms creates way better bases.

 

[pipeman84]

I agree that if one's interested in having a good wife and kids, most probably a woman under 25 is required. Meeting her is a matter of luck, you can't devise an easy 5 step plan to meet such a high quality person any more than you can devise a plan to win 5M in the lottery.

Now let's discuss timing: would it be better to meet her when you're 25 yourself or 40? I would say the latter, and that is in accordance with the men peak in their 40s theory. Of course everyone has his own life-path and if so happens to meet a good woman when you're in your 20s, by no means I'd suggest to dump her and wait till you get to your 40s. But as a man of 41 myself, I wouldn't exchange the maturity, calmness, life experience accumulated so far with being able to do all nighters and have sex with drunk bimbos at 5 in the morning.

 

[Plinco]

I had a girl in her ~mid 20's flirt with me last week, but I can say from personal experience that it is way harder to attract 18-23 after 40 than it was in my early 30's. It's not impossible, but much more difficult. I've had women in their 30's almost throwing themselves at me, but if you're like me and you have a strong preference for young women, then make sure you lock that down before you get to 40 because it is a massive challenge to do that after.

 

[CornbreadFed]

Men have two distinct peak windows, and they depend entirely on what age range of women you're trying to attract.

21. If you're targeting 18 to 20 year olds, this is your window. It's narrow, but a surprising number of men completely let themselves go at this age, which keeps the bar low for anyone who just stays in the game. Society also extends a lot of grace to young men who aren't high value yet. You don't need to have everything together. You just need to not be a disaster.

28 to 32. This is the real peak, and 28 is the apex. The conditions stack uniquely here: you're old enough to have some money but not so old that younger women write you off. A $40K to $80K income actually moves the needle with a 22 year old in a way it simply doesn't at 38. Women your age are simultaneously doing the math on their 30s, which recalibrates their expectations in your favor. It's one of the only windows where you're drawing genuine interest from multiple directions at once.

After 30, the dynamic inverts. Younger women start requiring proof of value upfront because now you're the older guy with nothing obvious to show for it. Women your age have either paired off or committed fully to waiting for someone exceptional. The pool shrinks noticeably. By 32, the men who were riding the middle of the distribution start tapping out entirely, going blue pill or red pill because the math simply stops working.

Average or below average, maximize at 28. Above average, you can extend to 35. But the window closes for everyone eventually, and it closes faster than most men expect.

 

[Gamisch]

There's a reason why 65 % of ( younger) men dont date while most women in the same age bracket do.This is because those women date with OLDER men.

Now to be clear older can be an 8 year age difference. Most of my serious LTRS had exactly that age difference. Plenty of women will say they'll date a man between the ages of lets say 25 and even up to 50. Because they KNOW there are advantages to dating men from all those ages.

So that 65% ( clear majority) HAS to understand that life is FAR from over . Matter of fact, when they hit 40 and they've put effort in self development, they will benefit greatly from it. Basically the 40 y.o man and the 25 y.o man will chase the same bracket of women.

Other than that; Most dudes around lets say 25 will actually get into relationships. At this age a man thinks he is "special " thus he will go all in on a woman: buy a house , have kids ect. By the time this falls apart he will be approaching 40. It's simply the most realistic timeline of the modern man.

And correct me if I'm wrong, but other than running through as many sloots as possible, the advice given comes down to " finding a ( young) woman to build with". A man can only have so many serious ltrs in his life and eventually he will always end up alone at some point around the age of 32/ 50 .

If you are 40 and yet or again look for a "(young) woman to build with" you might need a couple more harsh life lessons...

 

[Hal9000]

Women have it infinitely better than men, with regards to dating, at every age right up to the old folks home when men finally have an advantage because most of them have died and so women outnumber the men by like 4 to 1.

No male should ever expect things to get easier, or for them to become more desirable to women, at any point prior to that age. Yes there are exceptions but expecting twenty year olds to suddenly start throwing themselves at you when you're 40 (or any age really) is setting yourself up for a world of disappointment.

 

[FlexpertHamilton]

I do think this is a cope, but my interpretation is that the peak potential of a man is probably in his 30s/40s, maybe up to 50 in some cases. An older man who has aged well and is good looking, fit, charismatic, masculine, wealthy, resourceful, high status etc WILL be at his peak and he may literally have more options/leverage and SMV than a hot 20 year old college chick. But a very, very, very small percentage of men meet this criteria.

 

[Plinco]

I do think this is a cope, but my interpretation is that the peak potential of a man is probably in his 30s/40s, maybe up to 50 in some cases. An older man who has aged well and is good looking, fit, charismatic, masculine, wealthy, resourceful, high status etc WILL be at his peak and he may literally have more options/leverage and SMV than a hot 20 year old college chick. But a very, very, very small percentage of men meet this criteria.

I was thinking of something like this. It's a high threshold you'd have to reach, and most 18-23 year old women would still not be comfortable with a man who is more than five years older.

 

[FlexpertHamilton]

I was thinking of something like this. It's a high threshold you'd have to reach, and most 18-23 year old women would still not be comfortable with a man who is more than five years older.

They're uncomfortable because they're intimidated about how much better he is than her. Feminism will never allow them to admit it though. Either way, net result is the same.

 

[Manure Spherian]

Total scam! The most important—and fragile—years of a male’s life are 14 to 22! If they fugg them up or someone fuggs them up for them, they can find themselves up sh-t’s creek!

 

[Velasco]

peak for guys is 34-38

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i can attest to that having slept with the most 18 year old girls i ever have. still got a few more years before i have to rely on high status

 

[zekko]

28 to 32. This is the real peak, and 28 is the apex. The conditions stack uniquely here: you're old enough to have some money but not so old that younger women write you off.

I've always tended to see 28 as a male peak of sorts, mainly physically. A 28 year old athlete is often at the very top of his game, and it's a fairly perfect age for attracting women as well. 40s is also a peak of sorts for men, they are more mature and probably have better social skills, and better finances. It mostly depends on what you are talking about. I would say if you are talking about picking up women of a certain age (18-24), the 28 year old guy is better situated. Although I dated girls in their 20s when I was in my 40s, I also did when I was in my 20s. I'd say by the time a guy is 28 he reaches a peak of sorts.

 

[Solomon]

I would say Peak for men is 28-35 (although some men can extend it and for some men I seen their peak in high school and college 18-23). If a man was locked in, in his 20s in his 30s he looks young but mature enough to be more confident and understand nuance, and also yoru income increases (depending on how focus you where) your income increase isn't about tricking but lifestyle i.e. nice place, car, can go to decent restraunt without sweating if that $100 is going to set you back for the week etc

The redpill cope that it gets easier in your 40s to get younger hot women only applies for a select few. I don't count the men that have to count of pocket, you can do that until you're 90

 

[tksniper]

Men don’t peak at 20, 30, or 40. Men peak when their testosterone level is the highest and we have an actual career. I think Arnold was damn near 50 when he made terminator 2. Of course, we can always take testosterone injections or supplements.

I used to manage a team of 10 door knockers for a window and door company. He was 52 but did martial arts all his life and looked 35. He was the best door knocker and made over $2000 a week and was constantly hit on by younger females. He had the career and the high testosterone. He would have opportunities most guy could only dream of when it comes to getting laid. Why are you guys trying to make this more complicated than it needs to be?

 

[BackInTheGame78]

The fact you continue to try and get women in their early 20s when you are 40 makes me wonder if you still are mentally in your early 20s and not 40.

 

[FlexpertHamilton]

The fact you continue to try and get women in their early 20s when you are 40 makes me wonder if you still are mentally in your early 20s and not 40.

cmon bro. women in their 20 are hotter and more feminine. its simple

 

[BackInTheGame78]

cmon bro. women in their 20 are hotter and more feminine. its simple

And also have zero on common with someone who is at a completely different stage of life.

Everyone has to grow up sometime. Can't stay in Neverland forever for all the Peter Pans out there.

 

[Velasco]

And also have zero on common with someone who is at a completely different stage of life.

Everyone has to grow up sometime. Can't stay in Neverland forever for all the Peter Pans out there.

tell that to dicaprio

 

[zekko]

tell that to dicaprio

DiCaprio is a special case though, he's a huge, huge movie star. There aren't many people who has shared experiences with a guy at his level of fame. He's basically living in his own reality.

 

[zekko]

cmon bro. women in their 20 are hotter and more feminine. its simple

Women in their early to mid 20s are usually at their peak of beauty - and femininity, as you point out. The culture that's trying to turn all the girls butch is trying to mess with that, but whatever... I think part of the appeal of younger women is that they have a look of innocence that is very appealing to men. That look of innocence might be nothing but an illusion, but men are drawn to it IMO. Anyway, as they older and run through more times, their innocence isn't exactly going to increase.