"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Was flirted with on phone by hot voice secretary

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I was booking a showing and this secretary started flirting with me on the phone, saying how her last name sounds similar to mine and started chatting me up a bit. I asked her name and said that it was "nice talking to her" and then hung up afterwards. I know hired guns at Real-Estate offices look great. Yet, I could not bring myself to do anything with her. Wow. This is how I treated interested women who are flirting with me over the phone. Guess I must like chasing women who don't show interest or something. What's wrong with me?
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Shes prolly an attention ***** slut trying to help the office close a deal by shmoozing betas on the phone
 

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Still have to take it with a grain of salt. She doesn't know me and how I look like physically. It's like telephone dating before online dating (remember those days?). People only know your voice and energy.

She could have shined on to me because my first name sounds like an ITALIAN WHITE guy and paycheque-to-paycheque Caribbean girls may be friendly to a white sounding name. This may be just a case of mistaken JBW. Some people are surprised when they see me and discover I'm not a stereotypical white Italian. However the point of connection was out last names sounded similar.
 

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Guilt-based religion and possibly a domineering mother.
Agreed.

Most of his postings is like its scripted by a mother and repeated by the son online.

Even this call he made was on the urging of an aunt.

Too much feminine influences really fvcks up a boy.

Right here is the perfect example of what happens when a woman is allowed to raise and mentor her sons.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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I did this once years ago. It was a customer service rep for Pac Bell or whatever post-AT&T phone company was in California at the time. She was local and I got her # and took her out. She turned out to be attractive and friendly. I fumbled the date, drank a little too much and though I made a move, she declined and I never called her again. Point being, never let yourself miss a chance. Don't beat yourself up about it, we all pull back sometimes. But you can pull numbers in almost any situation.
This can be recovered. I have her first name and I know where she works. Should I sent a business card in the mail with a personal note attached and mail to her Real-Estate office and see if she will call me? I mean if it's meant to be she'll respond by mail, no loss in trying, right? The only issue is I feel too crammed to set up a date with anyone.
 

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I did this once years ago. It was a customer service rep for Pac Bell or whatever post-AT&T phone company was in California at the time. She was local and I got her # and took her out. She turned out to be attractive and friendly. I fumbled the date, drank a little too much and though I made a move, she declined and I never called her again. Point being, never let yourself miss a chance. Don't beat yourself up about it, we all pull back sometimes. But you can pull numbers in almost any situation.
On principle though, yeah, I've never asked someone out on the phone from the other end of the line before. It would be an interesting exercise to try. As long it's not a lady calling from collections/accounts' receivables or something like that where you'll be DLV big-time. Again, these are highly niche areas that are not explored as potential ways of meeting women.
 

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Agreed.

Most of his postings is like its scripted by a mother and repeated by the son online.

Even this call he made was on the urging of an aunt.

Too much feminine influences really fvcks up a boy.

Right here is the perfect example of what happens when a woman is allowed to raise and mentor her sons.
You are against twisting my posts to suite your own narrative. My father suggested that I get her phone number and is setting me up to talk to other girls. That was written in the post that you are referring to. Where did I say I was raised by a single mother? (hint: there is no post that says that). You are still on ignore by the way.
 

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Honestly, she could've been a scammer. I know it's not the highest probability, but it's entirely possible you were talking to a butt ugly 2/10 with a pretty voice. Hell, for all we know it was some man with an altered voice. You could've nabbed her number, did some research/lookup with it and determined the realness of her pretty quickly.
 
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