Wanting to get bigger but not wanting to give up cardio...

[EFFORT]

As I suspected, you have no muscle to define. I would cut back some tennis, gain some muscle and then reassess.

i agree

 

[SinJester]

I lol'd hard at Heart Break Kids post.

I think we can all take a leaf out of this guys book:

He holds the record for the most distance covered in a single Australian Rules Football game. Over 20ks! (12.43+ miles). And look at him. I couldn't find a better photo but I think he looks buff enough there.

Hell how much would he have to eat!?

 

[BluEyes]

Don't let his low body fat fool you.

That guy looks about 160 - 180 depending on his height. Judging by his arms, he's not big at all, in fact if I cut my bodyfat down to 5-7% like his is, I'd look bigger than him...

The fact is, he's a runner. His size is good for oz rules. He is probably a lot stronger than he looks, and has a well developed core, but we can't exactly see from that pic.

edit: nevermind, I can see the thickness of his quads.... he's tiny.

Now lets make it clear I'm not taking anything away from him, he's an outstanding athlete..but he is a bad example of a muscular body.

 

[SinJester]

But a good example of a muscular body for such a good athelete. Which is what this thread is about, not just getting a huge as humanly possible. In any case hes sitting there with his brownlow (best in the league) medal so he doesn't care. And are you saying 160 pounds? I know for a fact he is over 200.

There was a picture oh him on the fron page of the paper once, and like every person I knew said 'damn hes HUGE!'. Obviously it was a different picture. He might look small compared to a professional bodybuilder, but he is a lot bigger and more defined than the average person. I would kill to look like that and be able to run of 20ks in the faster league in australia.

 

[BluEyes]

I don't know what you're trying to say man.

Of course he's bigger than the average joe, he's a professional athlete with great genetics, dietitians working with him daily, he gets plenty of exercise, and probably has a lifting routine(though it doesn't include squats).


It sounds to me like you want to be HIM. You can easily achieve a better looking body than that within a year, but you seem to be disqualifying yourself and putting it out of your reach already.

I would kill to look like that and be able to run of 20ks

In any case hes sitting there with his brownlow (best in the league) medal so he doesn't care. And are you saying 160 pounds? I know for a fact he is over 200.

In that picture, unless he's 9 feet tall and has massive calves and a huge back, then he is not over 200lbs.

And talking about his athletic achievements is completely unrelated to the topic of musculature.

 

[BluEyes]

nmmm

 

[SinJester]

I see exactly where you are coming from. The thing is the whole point of this thread is "wanting to get bigger but not wanting to give up cardio". I'm saying that its possible, although im giving an extreme example. By the way I'm using a converter and I guarentee you he is over 90 kilos. My converter says that is 200 pounds. His lifting routine would almost certantly require squats as leg power is very imporant in oz rules. It's just the photo I think.

It sounds to me like you want to be HIM. You can easily achieve a better looking body than that within a year, but you seem to be disqualifying yourself and putting it out of your reach already.

Hell you have a lot more confidence in me than I do. Although yeah I do wish I was him

I think we both managed to make our points.

EDIT: Officially 92 kilo and 182 centimetres...

 

[Warboss Alex]

Dump the salads.

for anyone wanting to gain weight, fibre intake should be high, even higher than normal. why drop the salads?

 

[BluEyes]

Why dump the salads?

He has no other veggies in that diet...

 

[Kev07]

2 hours of tennis a day is enough to make it hard for anyone to gain weight.

If it really must be 2 hours a day, play less frequently and definetely eat more, especially before and after playing.

and your breakfast looks really weak, and i would recommend actually eating something for lunch

 

[Warboss Alex]

And, no, Hidden Valley Ranch dressing doesn't count.

that's where I get my salad cals from.

vegetables should be eaten no matter whether in a mass gain or dieting phase, you are simply compromising your health and digestive efficiency if you don't.

hunger control is important for dieting but also when in a mass gain phase, if you have a steak and a HUGE salad at 9pm you won't be raiding the fridge for cookies an hour later

 

[EFFORT]

He needs no veggies right now.

What about for general health?

 

[Warboss Alex]

also I would rather someone had veggies with OO/butter/ranch than the equivalent calories in potato, rice etc unless weight gain is VERY hard.

 

[Warboss Alex]

I've forced down 2g of protein per lb, 400-500g carbs and veggies too..

I don't believe oatmeal is particularly healthy either.

The ranch dressing comment was a joke by the way.

But you have said yourself you believe in bulking.. so fair play to you.

 

[Warboss Alex]

Eat as many carbs as you like, and make sure you're getting 10-15% of your caloric intake from fats.

that is why we disagree..

 

[BluEyes]

Why do you take a multivitamin then, if you don't believe veggies are necessary?

All you're attributing to veggies is fiber and calories... There are vitamins, anti-oxidants, nutrients, minerals and a whole host of good things to be had from vegetables.

You say that you eat beef? Have you looked into the acidity levels of certain foods?

 

[spesmilitis]

-Oatmeal contains water insoluble fibers. You also need water soluble fiber.

-Nutrients are always more effective from foods. The way the nutrients interact with the food they are attached to plays an important role in their digestion. There are also many compounds in food (esp, fruits and veggies) that are just being recently discovered, compounds that have very beneficial properties. It will be a while before those compounds can be found in pills.

-Green veggies that have alkalating effects that neutralize the acids that build up from training and high protein intake. They are awesome for recovery.

-Our ancestors not only ate diets high in meat, but also vegetables as well.

-If you feel eating veggies hinders you're bulking, the problem isn't the veggies, its the lack of protein/carbs/fats.

-No matter how full I am, I always have a bit of room for veggies. If I eat veggies first, then that hinders the amount of fats/carbs/protein I can eat, but not the other way around.

-Health leads to strength which leads to bulking.

 

[BluEyes]

Sources of Phytochemicals - Fruits, vegetables, whole grains, legumes and nuts are rich sources of phytochemicals (plant chemicals) that may help reduce our risk for certain types of cancer, heart disease and several other illnesses. The following chart summarizes some of the current research findings:

How the chemicals help as shown in some studies:

Citrus,
including
grapefruit,
lemon, orange, tangerine,
lime Vitamin C
Folic acid
Lutein Zeaxanthin

Help the body get rid of carcinogens, inhibit heart disease, improve fertility, and inhibit mild depression. Lutein and zeaxanthin may help lower the risk of macular degeneration and other eye diseases.

Solanaceae,
including
peppers,
potato,
tomato,
eggplant
Capsaicin
Antioxidants
Vitamin C

Protect lungs from cigarette smoke, reduce blood pressure, and promote weight control. Lycopenes (red natural colorants) found in tomatoes and peppers may help prevent prostate cancer.

Cruciferae,
including
radish,
broccoli,
cabbage,
Brussel
sprouts,
kale, arugula,
cauliflower
Sulforophane
Vitamins C,
A and K Antioxidants

Deactivate old estrogen and testosterone, protect DNA from harmful oxidants and stimulate the body to detoxify carcinogens. Sulforophanes in broccoli and kale may reduce risk of breast cancer.

Rosaceae,
including
berries,
almond,
apricot, apple,
pear, plum
Ellagic acid
Antioxidants
Pectin
Vitamins E and C

Block tumor growth, prevent blood clots, help prevent fungal infection, reduce blood cholesterol and improve mental function associated with aging.

Leguminosea,
including
peanuts, peas,
soybeans (tofu, soymilk),
beans,
lentils
Phytoestrogens
Folate
Genistein
B vitamins
Vitamin E
Magnesium

Reduce cholesterol and hot flashes and improve glucose control in diabetes.

Allium, including
garlic, onion,
leek, asparagus,
chive, scallion
Saponins Sulfer compounds
Selenium
Antioxidants

Stimulate the immune system, inhibit cancer growth, and decrease blood cholesterol.

Cucurbitaceae,
Including
watermelon,
cantaloupe,
pumpkin,
squash Zeaxanthin
Beta-carotene
Soluble fiber

Inhibit heart disease, cancer, diabetes and obesity.

There are a whole bunch of reasons to eat veggies... And a multivitamin just doesn't cut it.

 

[Warboss Alex]

1 I have a hard time digesting 20 cals. per lb

2 That is why I avoid veggies during the bulking phase.

Exactly: 1 is not surprising given 2 (+ your recommendation of a lower protein intake).

Think about what veggies and protein do to the metabolism and digestive system..

 

[BluEyes]

Why do I need "anti-oxidants, nutrients, minerals"?

lol

okay, i give up. to each his own I guess.