"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Waitress responds to AFC brother after my C+F fails

j81

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DonJuan11 said:
Your brother sounds sincere, you sound like you just want to get into her pants with your C+F routine. If you were a waiter and two girls were sitting there, one was busting your balls and teasing you, and the other was fairly quiet but complimenting you here and there, which girl would you fall for?
I'd be attracted to the girl who busted my balls. Its just a lot more fun because then I'd be challenged to make a comeback. I like being challenged.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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j81

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TheSplat said:
Prove it. Let's see a pic of you, your brother, and the two girls by the end of the week. Let's see if you can back up the talk.
I never claimed to be a DJ...so I dont know where you get this "talk". I'm a recovering AFC myself and theres no reason for me to be ashamed to admit it. I'm working on it.

I havent approach the HB9 because I have approach anxiety just like a lot of other people here do.
 

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If your good looking u should lay easy on the cnf.. girls will disqualify you because they won't think they have a chance with you.
 

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C+F isn't going to work on every girl. It doesn't work for every guy either.

An HB 5 is more than likely going to hate a guy who handles her like that. Also, if you're a really attractive guy, you shouldn't C+F or neg very hard. You're just going to come off as an arrogant a$$hole, and most girls will think you are out of their league and unapproachable.

I only C+F or neg the chics who have major princess attitudes, and it's pretty rare I find one of those who I think is worth putting up with. With the rest I just smile a lot and carry myself with confidence.
 

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robstar said:
If your good looking u should lay easy on the cnf.. girls will disqualify you because they won't think they have a chance with you.
You're probably right. I'm going to back off of it a bit from now on. I think that may be about half of my problem in the first place.

So is it correct to say C+F is mostly effective for average looking guys who are pursuing the HB8+?
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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j81 said:
I'd be attracted to the girl who busted my balls. Its just a lot more fun because then I'd be challenged to make a comeback. I like being challenged.

Ugg, I wouldn't. I like girls who act nice.
 

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BTW she wouldnt be an HB5, because HB means hot babe. HB's are reserved for 8-10, whereas 5-7 are just a number, and 4 and below are UG4321 whatever, which means Ugly Girl. Just an FYI.
 

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Women are more perceptive than many guys give them credit for. Much of the PUA literature reads as if they are giving you secret knowledge that will allow you to get (control) women. Thing is that most women (over 21 at least) are very well aware when guys are players and are gaming them. I would go as far as to say that most women are turned off by guys who are players or are perceived as players.

The guys who are naturals know that it is not the game that you play but rather the connection that you make. While you were playing your game, your brother was making a connection with the girl.

Time and again I’ve been out with friends and they’d be playing the women and I’d do little more than look a girl in the eyes, connecting with her that way and then everything else is just us playing together.

So, for instance when your brother says something like, “I want to smell your perfume before I leave” it may sound really lame to you and make no sense that she would respond positively to it. However, if your brother and she had already made a connection then it makes sense. It’s not what he says, it is just that he is talking to her, that they are interacting.
 

“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”

You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.

I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.

Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.

These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.

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Thatfeel21

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potato hit it head on..youre "playing games" with her with your CnF type mess while your bro is straight up showing he could be interested...to many ppl on this board think CnF is the secret to getting any girl
 
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