"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Waitress responds to AFC brother after my C+F fails

j81

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DonJuan11 said:
Your brother sounds sincere, you sound like you just want to get into her pants with your C+F routine. If you were a waiter and two girls were sitting there, one was busting your balls and teasing you, and the other was fairly quiet but complimenting you here and there, which girl would you fall for?
I'd be attracted to the girl who busted my balls. Its just a lot more fun because then I'd be challenged to make a comeback. I like being challenged.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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j81

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TheSplat said:
Prove it. Let's see a pic of you, your brother, and the two girls by the end of the week. Let's see if you can back up the talk.
I never claimed to be a DJ...so I dont know where you get this "talk". I'm a recovering AFC myself and theres no reason for me to be ashamed to admit it. I'm working on it.

I havent approach the HB9 because I have approach anxiety just like a lot of other people here do.
 

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If your good looking u should lay easy on the cnf.. girls will disqualify you because they won't think they have a chance with you.
 

MikeYikes122

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C+F isn't going to work on every girl. It doesn't work for every guy either.

An HB 5 is more than likely going to hate a guy who handles her like that. Also, if you're a really attractive guy, you shouldn't C+F or neg very hard. You're just going to come off as an arrogant a$$hole, and most girls will think you are out of their league and unapproachable.

I only C+F or neg the chics who have major princess attitudes, and it's pretty rare I find one of those who I think is worth putting up with. With the rest I just smile a lot and carry myself with confidence.
 

j81

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robstar said:
If your good looking u should lay easy on the cnf.. girls will disqualify you because they won't think they have a chance with you.
You're probably right. I'm going to back off of it a bit from now on. I think that may be about half of my problem in the first place.

So is it correct to say C+F is mostly effective for average looking guys who are pursuing the HB8+?
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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j81 said:
I'd be attracted to the girl who busted my balls. Its just a lot more fun because then I'd be challenged to make a comeback. I like being challenged.

Ugg, I wouldn't. I like girls who act nice.
 

jamescr73

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BTW she wouldnt be an HB5, because HB means hot babe. HB's are reserved for 8-10, whereas 5-7 are just a number, and 4 and below are UG4321 whatever, which means Ugly Girl. Just an FYI.
 

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Women are more perceptive than many guys give them credit for. Much of the PUA literature reads as if they are giving you secret knowledge that will allow you to get (control) women. Thing is that most women (over 21 at least) are very well aware when guys are players and are gaming them. I would go as far as to say that most women are turned off by guys who are players or are perceived as players.

The guys who are naturals know that it is not the game that you play but rather the connection that you make. While you were playing your game, your brother was making a connection with the girl.

Time and again I’ve been out with friends and they’d be playing the women and I’d do little more than look a girl in the eyes, connecting with her that way and then everything else is just us playing together.

So, for instance when your brother says something like, “I want to smell your perfume before I leave” it may sound really lame to you and make no sense that she would respond positively to it. However, if your brother and she had already made a connection then it makes sense. It’s not what he says, it is just that he is talking to her, that they are interacting.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Thatfeel21

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potato hit it head on..youre "playing games" with her with your CnF type mess while your bro is straight up showing he could be interested...to many ppl on this board think CnF is the secret to getting any girl
 
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