Vegetarian

[sangheilios]

I didn’t say u couldn’t !

I misread your paragraph, you were referring to more humane slaughter techniques.

 

[SargeMaximus]

I always find it humorous how much vegans want their fake meat to taste like meat

 

[EyeBRollin]

I eat up to 6 eggs per day and my cholesterol is fine.

Da fvck? How?

I always find it humorous how much vegans want their fake meat to taste like meat

Some of the fake meat does taste like meat. The texture is still different though.

 

[sangheilios]

Da fvck? How?



Some of the fake meat does taste like meat. The texture is still different though.

Some people do not have much of a blood serum response to eating eggs or high cholesterol foods. There have actually been a lot of studies more recently showing that dietary cholesterol is not necessarily a primary culprit of heart disease. From what I've seen, the main thing to look for is total saturated fat intake and also trans fats especially, as these have been found to increase LDL while decreasing HDL. Another huge risk factor for heart disease is being a diabetic, they are something like 5x more likely to have a heart attack than a non-diabetic. Another risk factor for heart disease is also having high triglycerides, eating a lot of processed sugars will cause this to happen and sure enough eating like this puts you at risk for becoming a diabetic. I also saw a study a while ago showing that dietary cholesterol does not have much of an impact on healthy individuals but when diabetics are involved we see this has a profound impact.

If eggs are raising your cholesterol levels than you should limit them. Common sense but would require you to be eating a certain way regularly and having your blood work done.

Something else to consider is that some people are just genetically prone to having health issues and are far more sensitive to certain dietary habits than others. This is something we can broadly see in various ethnic groups as a whole. Black Americans are far more at risk for things like diabetes, high blood pressure and heart disease than white Americans. This is a combination of a few things; one is definitely level of poverty, people that are poor overall tend to have poor diets compared to people that are wealthier. Black people are on average poorer than white americans and have lower levels of education on average. Lower education typically correlates to bad decisions with just about everything, whether this be diet, finances, smoking, etc. With all of this out of the way, black americans are overall eating roughly the same diet as the average white american but are experiencing these diseases at a higher rate heavily due to genetic factors.

Have you ever met a Samoan or pacific islander? They have a gene that is widespread in these ethnic groups that basically allows them to pack on a lot of fat much more readily and retain it. Why is this? It's because generations upon generations ago when their ancestors were travelling across the open ocean the one's that bulked up more easily were less likely to starve to death and were those that colonized the islands. This was an advantageous trait to have in that set of circumstances. However, with modern life and processed foods these invidiuals have ridiculous rates of obesity and diabetes at incredibly young ages. Various races and ethnic groups have all sorts of adaptations due to environmental or even cultural factors.

 

[EyeBRollin]

Some people do not have much of a blood serum response to eating eggs or high cholesterol foods.

I also saw a study a while ago showing that dietary cholesterol does not have much of an impact on healthy individuals but when diabetics are involved we see this has a profound impact.

If eggs are raising your cholesterol levels then you should limit them.

I am aware of these studies. It doesn’t do people good to say dietary cholesterol and eggs don’t affect cholesterol levels when they most certainly do in some people. My cholesterol would be like 700 if I ate 6 eggs a day. I was eating no more than three per week and had to stop eating them. And I am no where near diabetic.

The latest research on heart disease has shown that Apo-B is causal in heart disease, and LDL cholesterol is a usually a surrogate marker for Apo-B (it is possible to have borderline high LDL and normal Apo-B, but more common is normal LDL and high Apo-B).

 

[sangheilios]

I am aware of these studies. It doesn’t do people good to say dietary cholesterol and eggs don’t affect cholesterol levels when they most certainly do in some people. My cholesterol would be like 700 if I ate 6 eggs a day. I was eating no more than three per week and had to stop eating them. And I am no where near diabetic.

The latest research on heart disease has shown that Apo-B is causal in heart disease, and LDL cholesterol is a usually a surrogate marker for Apo-B (it is possible to have borderline high LDL and normal Apo-B, but more common is normal LDL and high Apo-B).

That's what I'm saying, genetics are a reason why you can't eat a lot of dietary cholesterol without seeing your blood work in a bad place. I eat the equivalent of around 1 egg per day, it's not literally every single day but on one of the meals that I like to alternate for dinner I'll eat 3 of them. My cholesterol was at 138, so obviously this does not impact ME as an individual.

Have you ever looked up the Dean Ornish Food Pyramid? This may be something for you to check out and gives some pretty good nutritional guidelines for individuals that are at risk of heart disease. Basically, it encourages you to eat a lot of fruits and vegetables, whole grains, some nuts and seeds and things like fat free dairy products, egg whites, poultry and fish, including fatty fish that is high in omega 3s. You honestly can't go wrong with something like that and it would be super easy to follow. It's essentially a vegetarian diet with a little bit of meat in there but from sources that are going to be very low in saturated fat. Honestly, even a really lean cut of red meat, like a sirloin, is very low in saturated fat.

Also, high fiber diets are very helpful for lowering cholesterol, if you are eating a diet like the one above you shouldn't have a problem with that. Side note, are you aware that exercise could also help you with this? The best thing for you would be to combine a gym routine that builds muscle and including some steady state aerobic activity that you can enjoy. You'd drastically cut your risk of cancer, heart disease, stroke, high blood pressure, diabetes, etc. and if you were to eat like the example above you'd be in fantastic shape, no pun intended.

 

[sangheilios]

@EyeBRollin

I'm not sure if you already mentioned this, but how much do you weigh?

 

[EyeBRollin]

@EyeBRollin

I'm not sure if you already mentioned this, but how much do you weigh?

I weight 160 lbs. I’ve been exercising 3Xs per week my entire life. It sounds like the genetic variations with the effect are extreme. Too much so to say it’s okay for everyone to be putting down multiple eggs per day.

 

[macular circle]

i'm both vegetarian and non-veg. because i am health conscious.

 

[MtmVaott]

@EyeBRollin @Kotaix
I thought I'd answer you in this thread to not derail the other one.
Do you have problems with beans in regards to digestion?
And has soy intake been a problem due to the phytoestrogens?

 

[Kotaix]

@EyeBRollin @Kotaix
I thought I'd answer you in this thread to not derail the other one.
Do you have problems with beans in regards to digestion?
And has soy intake been a problem due to the phytoestrogens?

I'm not vegetarian, not even close. I have to stay away from gluten which is a pain unto itself, but only in the US.

Beans cause farts, not much you can do about that.

 

[MtmVaott]

I'm not vegetarian, not even close. I have to stay away from gluten which is a pain unto itself, but only in the US.

Beans cause farts, not much you can do about that.

Me neither, I just want to add plant-based protein-rich foods to my meals and replace some of the meat, especially for lunch.
In Europe gluten intolerance is problematic as well, at least where I come from (the 'bread country' haha).

 

[EyeBRollin]

@EyeBRollin @Kotaix
I thought I'd answer you in this thread to not derail the other one.
Do you have problems with beans in regards to digestion?
And has soy intake been a problem due to the phytoestrogens?

Hey man, sounds good.

No problems with beans at all just make sure you drink a lot of water. The farts are normal. However, even before switching I’ve been eating black beans for years so my body was used to it.

Soy intake- only a problem in that it makes me have even more foul smelling farts than other whole beans. The estrogen thing is an overblown myth. You have to consume a shvt ton of soy for that to even be a concern.

I like the pea protein products more than the soy products. They taste closer to real meat.

 

[MtmVaott]

Hey man, sounds good.

No problems with beans at all just make sure you drink a lot of water. The farts are normal. However, even before switching I’ve been eating black beans for years so my body was used to it.

Soy intake- only a problem in that it makes me have even more foul smelling farts than other whole beans. The estrogen thing is an overblown myth. You have to consume a shvt ton of soy for that to even be a concern.

I like the pea protein products more than the soy products. They taste closer to real meat.

Ok haha yeah that farts became a bit too much when I ate beans daily. That was the reason why I didn't stick to eating them.

Interesting. I already know soy granule but refrained from eating it often. Did you find a way to make that stuff more eatable? I personally don't like the slouchy consistence.

And I never heared about pea proteins as solid food, but apparently they are available as granules where I live.

 

[EyeBRollin]

Interesting. I already know soy granule but refrained from eating it often. Did you find a way to make that stuff more eatable? I personally don't like the slouchy consistence.

I stick to vegan crumbles. There are a lot of brands here in the USA. I pick the ones that have the firmest meat-like texture.

From there, I just use it exactly like ground beef. I put it in pasta sauce, tacos, chili, chili carrot hot dogs, etc.

 

[MtmVaott]

I stick to vegan crumbles. There are a lot of brands here in the USA. I pick the ones that have the firmest meat-like texture.

From there, I just use it exactly like ground beef. I put it in pasta sauce, tacos, chili, chili carrot hot dogs, etc.

That didn't work for me since I let the granule/crumbles get soaked with some water and then it was more like cooking them in the pan than actually frying. Are you processing them without water?

 

[Murk]

My perspective on it is similar to my perspective on abortion. It’s a necessary evil. It’s something which cannot be avoided but it’s something which should be treated with sadness, sorrow and regret.

Choosing to murder a baby of your own free will… can’t be avoided? You really did drink the kool aid. The lamb I slaughter on April 5th for Passover will have you in mind, I’ll pray for your sins and delusion.

 

[Reincarnated]

This thread makes me realize that I take for granted that so many people live/were raised in urban or suburban areas.

Fresh venison, turkey, bear, etc...from a creature you've hunted is perhaps some of the best food I've ever had. I also hold the opinion that most hunters/farmers have a healthier and more appreciate relationship with animals then a lot of vegans who do it because "they oppose killing animals".

I've also watched the cows through the whole life cycle, literally from birth to slaughter/consumption. To me, that's poetry, that's powerful, and that's life.

 

[EyeBRollin]

That didn't work for me since I let the granule/crumbles get soaked with some water and then it was more like cooking them in the pan than actually frying. Are you processing them without water?

Keep experimenting. Some of the crumbles come with oil already in them. You can cook those in a skillet. For pasta and chili I just heat them right in the sauce.

 

[DirtyDummy]

I think I'm the odd one out here. I've been vegetarian (I only consume cow's milk and buffalo's milk in dairy products) ever since I was born. I've never had any meat or egg or fish in my entire life. (English is not my mother tongue; please excuse any errors on my part)