After months of being "introduced" to the red pill community, I wonder if I should let my dad read my copy of The Rational Male. He's open minded enough, but he has had many more years of blue pill reinforcement than me, of course. Any suggestions? Is this a good idea? BTW, my parents aren't married, and his second wife passed away. Both of them really worked him over.
"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"
You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.
She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.
Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.
Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.
Unplugging my dad?
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"She's Out of Your League"
You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.
Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.
She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.
Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.
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Sounds like the ex wives caused him some trauma.
For many older guys, it’s usually a traumatic event ( divorce rape, alimony, child support, etc. ) that causes them to be open to new ideas.
How old is he?
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Just do it. Walk in, hand him the book and say nothing. Explain nothing.
He's 60.
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I would say do it. However, be aware that’s a long lifetime of conditioning to change.
Also, there is a difference between logically understanding red pill and actually internalizing it. I was 52 when I was introduced to it, and yes, I logically got it, but it took about 4 to 5 years and a breakup with my girlfriend at the time to truly internalize.
He’s about my age and I can tell you that the world he grew up in is totally different than today. The way women acted back then and what we were taught about women and relationships is very different than today.
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"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
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That's true although there are certain fundamentals that transcend time. A lot of the recommended PUA stuff comes from caveman days.
Anyway, my question is what age girls is he going to be seeing? 18? 22? 35? 42? 50? 60? If he wants to date in or near his own age group, I doubt that their behavior is going to be the same as the 22 year olds.
I'm not sure what sort of woman he is looking for, if any. I just gave him the book today. After talking to him a little, he seems to be somewhat aware of how women really treat men.
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I wouldn't do it unless he showed signs of thinking like that at least a little bit. It seems to me that everyone who gets into this stuff do so by themselves.
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He's a Baby Boomer?
Not sure how well the red pill will work on guys from that generation.
After all, he grew up in the intial stages of first wave feminism.
Society was a lot different back then.
Women were more openly sexual and submissive at the time.
Not sure how well the red pill will work on guys from that generation.
After all, he grew up in the intial stages of first wave feminism.
Society was a lot different back then.
Women were more openly sexual and submissive at the time.
"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
If a man is 60, he should date women around the age of 37.
It wouldn't look odd if he's still fit.
I think that there's a disconnect with masculinity when cities grew and fathers became too busy to spend some quality time with their young sons.
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I picked up girls when I was younger, about the same age as most guys around here. If you say I know nothing about picking up girls today, then you might have a better point. Still, I don't think I'm entirely clueless when it comes to women, since I've dealt with them for approaching 60 years now. It's true it isn't my objective to become a tattooed fvckboy at my age. Maybe if my girlfriend and I break up, I might reconsider. If I had to start looking for a date tomorrow, I don't think I would be completely devoid of weapons.
Not sure what you mean by the "basic idea". What I meant about some PUA ideas coming from caveman days, that wasn't a putdown. I was talking about how PUAs point to how women are "wired" to respond to certain masculinity cues from an evolutionary standpoint. If women have deep seated primal attraction cues from primitive times, then there must be ways to attract women that are just as true today as they were back in my day.
It's interesting that you bring that up, because after my last relationship ended (very badly) nearly 3 years ago, immediately after that, I had a string of several dates with other women. I was not red pill aware at the time, so I sought out whatever dating tips I could find. Even the most basic stuff helped. I also experienced cases with girls that liked me that I had no interest in. That was unfamiliar territory for me.