"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Trying to get a chick that's 'seeing someone'

Dekg140

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Yo guys, hoping for some advice on this current female. Met her couple weeks back, we clicked great, got her number, been texting/talking on the phone, things were going great. She was giving me strong vibes that she liked me, and even hinted a couple of times. I decided to put myself out there (AFC, I know I know) and told her I wanted to get to know her as more than friends. She then tells me she's "seeing" some other dude, but otherwise she would have. I ask her who this guy is, and it turns out to be some **** that I hate. She also knows he's slept with other girls while he's been "seeing" her. Guessing it's my turn to be a ****, I now wanna bang this chick's brains out more than ever, just for personal satisfaction. Things haven't been weird between us and she's still giving me vibes of digging me. She's on holiday now so I figured it'd be some perfect no contact time, and she's back on Saturday. Any tips how to go about getting this girl who's so adamant about this man she's seeing verbally but is giving me these physical signals? Cheers bro's
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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Well based on stuff I've read I'd say you pressed the fail button when you said "I want to get to know you as more than friends". That's straightforward and logical talk. It kills any emotions or attraction that she has for you because women don't respond sexually to logic. If you kept talking to her on an emotional level, getting her excited, then suggested you wanted to get to know her more in an emotional way then maybe she would respond better.
 

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Droz888 has a point. It's best to show a girl with your actions that you like her rather than tell her. That just gives the game away but you realized your mistake and learned from so that's good. If she's "seeing" someone it doesn't necessarily mean that they are exclusive. I'd say keep talking to her and keep trying to push the envelope but keep it playful. You can get away with murder if you keep it playful.
 

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why would you want to get with someone already in a relationship? at best you will get her, but what does that exactly say about her?

let them be and find an unattached one.
 

Droz88

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IKO69 said:
why would you want to get with someone already in a relationship? at best you will get her, but what does that exactly say about her?

let them be and find an unattached one.
One thing I've learned from reading these forums is that any woman can suddenly not be in a relationship if a bigger and better guy comes along. I don't necessarily think that's true but many here seem to have bought into it.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Shockwavedave

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Droz88 said:
One thing I've learned from reading these forums is that any woman can suddenly not be in a relationship if a bigger and better guy comes along. I don't necessarily think that's true but many here seem to have bought into it.

True, perhaps.

But why waste your time chasing someone who has already turned you down? I stupidly did it once, and it is not worth your time and effort.
 

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Never verbally tell a woman you like her and want to take it to the next level. That's her job.

Also, ALL women are seeing someone. The very fact that she told you that should override all positive vibes that she gave you. She's just not that into you. Your princess is in another castle.

Case closed. Actions speak louder than words.
 

Dekg140

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nismo-4 said:
Never verbally tell a woman you like her and want to take it to the next level. That's her job.

Also, ALL women are seeing someone. The very fact that she told you that should override all positive vibes that she gave you. She's just not that into you. Your princess is in another castle.

Case closed. Actions speak louder than words.

I hear you bro. I realized that she ain't that into me. But I been getting bored lately of banging these chicks and wanted to switch it up a little, see if I can get a baited fish. But maybe it's not worth the trouble...
 

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Tell her about the other chicks you're banging, like she's a pal. Let her meet any that are hotter than she is.

Women attract women.
 

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When a woman is single you have the whole world to compete with. When a woman is in a relationship you only have one person to compete with.
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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I learned a long time ago that what a woman says and what a woman does can be completely different.

If a woman is giving you IOI's but mentions that she is "seeing" someone, all that is, is what's known as plausible deniability.

By her telling you this, she feels she's done her job and is morally exempt from anything that will happen further with you.

Just ignore it and game her like you would anyone else... there's a good chance she will hook up with you. In her mind she will rationalize it as "not being her fault" because she told you she was seeing someone.

If that doesn't make sense, just ask yourself.... do women?
 

Dekg140

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Zarky said:
Tell her about the other chicks you're banging, like she's a pal. Let her meet any that are hotter than she is.

Women attract women.
I feel you man. I'll start filling her in, with all the explicit details included ;)


Mr.SomeoneElse said:
When a woman is single you have the whole world to compete with. When a woman is in a relationship you only have one person to compete with.
Haha I love it man. Makes alot of sense tbh.

CrashOverRide said:
I learned a long time ago that what a woman says and what a woman does can be completely different.

If a woman is giving you IOI's but mentions that she is "seeing" someone, all that is, is what's known as plausible deniability.

By her telling you this, she feels she's done her job and is morally exempt from anything that will happen further with you.

Just ignore it and game her like you would anyone else... there's a good chance she will hook up with you. In her mind she will rationalize it as "not being her fault" because she told you she was seeing someone.

If that doesn't make sense, just ask yourself.... do women?
I've had the same experiences as you. I did think this was some kind of test, for her to see how far I was willing to go, but I wasn't too sure and really can't be bothered to get kicked out of uni for having a fight with a guy because of her girl. She's not worth that.
 
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