Toyota's are the most reliable: but not the sexiest

[jhonny9546]

Hello everyone. So it's time to change cars.
With a budget of €10,000, the ideal would be a used Toyota. As everyone recommends, it's an incredible car, no matter what model.

The problem with Toyotas is that the interior and exterior design are truly awful.

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With that budget, you can find Minis, BMWs, and Mercedes.
The problem is the potential repair and maintenance costs.

So, it's actually something to consider.. would you go for the reliable, but slightly older, car, or take a risk and buy a less reliable, more maintenance-intensive car with an interior and exterior like this?

https://images-archive.allbids.com.au/auctions/42769/cars/medium/42769-1ax_ex.JPG

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b4/Mercedes-Benz_B180_%28W246%29_interior.JPG

or

https://mediapool.bmwgroup.com/cache/P9/201209/P90102968/P90102968-mini-john-cooper-works-countryman-09-2012-599px.jpg

https://images-archive.allbids.com.au/auctions/38323/cars/medium/38323-1_ex.jpg

The fact is, I think you need to drive a car that can be maintained affordably, and a reliable car like a Toyota would be ideal. But really, at 30, having a car that looks better is perhaps the best option, especially because we know that a car reflects your personality to some extent, (and women are totally superficial when it comes to those things) and honestly, owning a Mini or a Mercedes gives you that more masculine, youthful, fun look that a Toyota can provide. I think for those aged 65 and up, a Toyota is a great choice, but for younger man it's a risk


ps: Used cars buying price are the same

 

[sevbucmash]

In Italy, brother, you have to have a Ferrari!. It is both Italian, and good looking. Toyota for 10k EURO will probably be made in Turkey. If it's not made in Japan it's not a toyota anymore. Made in Turkey toyotas do come with transmission problems. In 2018 CH-R's for example, you have to replace transmission by 100k kilometers. That is not Toyota anymore!
So go with a Ferrari, or a Lamborghini, it's patriotic in your case, and very good looking!

 

[BackInTheGame78]

My goal is to get from point A to point B as reliably as possible and not have to deal with the headaches of many of these cars where random stuff goes wrong constantly or you come out after work or shopping or being out late and it won't start, etc.

Typically when I buy a car it's usually a few years old and lower mileage of a reliable make, usually Toyota or Honda and my goal is to drive it 5+ years without any car payment after paying off the loan.

I could really care less about it being a newer, fancier version. As long as it looks nice and is reliable that's all I need.

Also I'll never buy a brand new car because as soon as you drive it off the lot it depreciates hugely in value...in general, I don't believe in sinking a lot of money into depreciating assets.

 

[Prepostereax]

Hmm..

"Which is Sexier?
A short dude who is hard on command?
Or a Chad with ED?"

The sexiest move, OP, is to relocate where having a car in your life isn't really mandatory.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Hmm..

"Which is Sexier?
A short dude who is hard on command?
Or a Chad with ED?"

The sexiest move, OP, is to relocate where having a car in your life isn't really mandatory.

Or just make enough money where you don't have to worry about how to afford a car?

 

[sevbucmash]

Geez, says a guy who buys used cars. Economy everywhere sucks. To live in U.S. comfortable one has to make 150k a year, still, that's a 4 year loan on new car. Italy is a different story. Nobody makes 150k per year in Italy, and you need about that to live comfortably.

 

[plumber]

Toyota looks ok. just depends on what one. its tempting to try to buy status with a car. don't. that path never ends, never ends well.

 

[Westminster]

Buy a Lexus if you want Toyota reliability with a bit more luxury and prestige. Problem solved.

 

[sevbucmash]

Here is a good idea what they have available in Italy https://www.ooyyo.com/italy/used-cars-for-sale/c=CDA31D7114D3854F111BF36FAA651453/

 

[sevbucmash]

What _NOT to buy:

Ford Kuga
Jeep Grand Cherokee
Land Rover Range Rover
Abarth 595
Ford Escort
BMW 5 Series
BMW X1
Fiat 500


What to buy:

Subaru Forester
Renault Kadjar
Peugeot 2008 Alure
Audi A3
Citroen C4
Toyota Urban
Renault Megane
Peugeot 2008 Alure
Audi A5
Subaru Outback


That's first 2 pages. Now, you have to keep in mind vehicle mileage. All the above listed are for 10k EUR with mileage at 150km and above. That's 100k miles. That is done. Look for cars that are under 100,000 km or under 60,000 miles. That will leave you about 50,000 miles worry free ownage, or about 4 years, and then you sell it. Also, make sure vehicle was not in a collision, check gaps and paint thinness.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Geez, says a guy who buys used cars. Economy everywhere sucks. To live in U.S. comfortable one has to make 150k a year, still, that's a 4 year loan on new car. Italy is a different story. Nobody makes 150k per year in Italy, and you need about that to live comfortably.

Any smart person buys a used car due to how it appreciates literally the second you drive it off the lot.

Unless you like paying 35K for something worth 27K the second you leave the lot.

Some people are intelligent and don't do low IQ things like put money into immediately depreciating assets

 

[nicksaiz65]

My goal is to get from point A to point B as reliably as possible and not have to deal with the headaches of many of these cars where random stuff goes wrong constantly or you come out after work or shopping or being out late and it won't start, etc.

Typically when I buy a car it's usually a few years old and lower mileage of a reliable make, usually Toyota or Honda and my goal is to drive it 5+ years without any car payment after paying off the loan.

I could really care less about it being a newer, fancier version. As long as it looks nice and is reliable that's all I need.

Also I'll never buy a brand new car because as soon as you drive it off the lot it depreciates hugely in value...in general, I don't believe in sinking a lot of money into depreciating assets.

Interesting, so you opt for the car loan over just buying a reliable used car outright?

I was thinking that after I pay off my current car loan I never want a car payment again.

 

[sevbucmash]

smart person buys a used car due to how it depreciates

Everybody knows well that people in America don't even open the hood to check engine oil. When factory service ends, cars begin to fall apart. You are buying used junk.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Everybody knows well that people in America don't even open the hood to check engine oil. When factory service ends, cars begin to fall apart. You are buying used junk.

You are simply an idiot if you believe that.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Interesting, so you opt for the car loan over just buying a reliable used car outright?

I was thinking that after I pay off my current car loan I never want a car payment again.

I'm not usually going to buy a car that's 10+ years old, that's when things like transmissions and engines start going after that.

 

[The Duke]

Any smart person buys a used car due to how it appreciates literally the second you drive it off the lot.

Unless you like paying 35K for something worth 27K the second you leave the lot.

Some people are intelligent and don't do low IQ things like put money into immediately depreciating assets

I don't disagree with the sentiment, however thats not always the case like it used to be. There are many examples these days of
vehicles that have 25k-40k miles being only a few thousand less than an almost new one with less than 3000miles. The used car market is too strong these days.

 

[Bokanovsky]

Toyota's are the most reliable: but not the sexiest

The same can be said about people. Those who are reliable are usually not the sexiest.

 

[Bokanovsky]

Or just make enough money where you don't have to worry about how to afford a car?

Better yet, make enough money where you don't have to buy used cars because of depreciation concerns.

 

[jhonny9546]

and you need about that to live comfortably.

I would say you need 50k a year (net) to live comfortably in Italy.

Btw I'm prone to Audi A3 or Q3 or Mini f60 (which I could get for approx 10k)

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Better yet, make enough money where you don't have to buy used cars because of depreciation concerns.

I have enough money that I could go buy a brand new car and pay all cash for it. Probably 2 new cars if I wanted to.

That doesn't make it smart, and I don't do dumb things just because I can afford to. That's how you stop being able to afford to do them.