"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Touching girls vs letting them touch you first. What works?

wifehunter

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Not true, I used to touch first all the time, without apologies and did whatever I wanted. It got me labeled as a bad boy, and it made them want to have sex with me, so I'm disagreeing with that
Sure, if shes only after sex also. It depends on your goals.

I'm after classy chicks.
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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I always let them touch first. If she doesn't I just move on to the next one.

Putting your hands on a woman before she is ready shows desperation and neediness. It's not Alpha and putting your hands on a woman as a method of escalation really only works on women in clubs and are looking to hook-up anyway.
 

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I always let them touch first. If she doesn't I just move on to the next one.

Putting your hands on a woman before she is ready shows desperation and neediness. It's not Alpha and putting your hands on a woman as a method of escalation really only works on women in clubs and are looking to hook-up anyway.
So how do you project a sexual vibe without touching? Eye contact?
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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daddymonsterpoodle

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Eye contact is important and you can project a sexualising vibe without touching. I guess the important thing is to do what feels natural to you, otherwise you come across as fake or try hard, guaranteed to repel women. It means you are also more likely to screen for someone who is similar to you in how much touch is a comfortable ammount.

All the Kino in the world ain't gonna do nothing though if you are not comfortable in your own masculinity and with being sexual.
 

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Sure, if shes only after sex also. It depends on your goals.

I'm after classy chicks.
Yeah, keep telling yourself that. All women can respond that way if you know how to get them aroused enough.
 

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If your built AWESOME don't the tables turn in your favour, like your the "hot girl" and they are the lusty eyed guys? So you would do a very light kino if any, like a hug or something and lay back and wait for them to pinch your bicep, your pec, your thigh or your ass... They would hold you a little longer on a hug, and feel your strong back...
This...

I could attest to this. Develop a great outgoing personality, very friendly/personable and have an awesome build/body...you then become "the hot chick" where not only attractive women find a way of "accidentally touching you :rofl:" multiple times because they can't help themselves but you can in return touch them in almost anyway because you're the sh!t (the tables of attraction have been turned in your favor).

Now with that being said, there's nothing wrong with being conservative and waiting for her to initiate...that's up to you decide. But be realistic on what you are bringing to the table, especially with younger women.

Men who have the whole package (gifted or thru hard work) can do almost whatever they want. It's just a cold hard fact. Trust me thru experience, the change of average to good looking is startling but you need to experience it for yourself if you haven't yet. It has been mentioned many times on this board before....the difference to women between a creep and hot guy touching her is her level of attraction in him.

So either be conservative or be "the Package" to make things easier for you....
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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Confidence. Once you are chock full of it, you won't think about it. These things will just happen. We mess up when we overanalyze or micromanage ourselves.
Truth.

Women are very intuitive, they know when you want them. Just look them in the eyes and imagine you are having sex with her and she will pick up on this and get the right impression from you.
 

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Yep, eye contact and that little smile that says, 'I know how to fark the he'll out of you'.
The woman I am seeing said, "you look at me like you want to devour me. “

She got the message. I didn't need lots of Kino as well.
 

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Yeah, keep telling yourself that. All women can respond that way if you know how to get them aroused enough.
Good luck with the guarded ones... they have eyes like hawks.
 

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Putting your hands on a woman before she is ready shows desperation and neediness.
Quite the opposite holds true: If you don't touch a girl because you fear the image that you may portray by acting on a volition that both she and you know that you already have, then you have already lost.

Better to exhibit your desire in a strong frame than suppress your desire under the guise of "respect" in a weak frame. As once you fall prey to inaction because of this thought:
[It may] show desperation and neediness.
You're done.
 

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if you think her interest is really high, let her touch you

if you think that her interest may not be really high, you touch her.

if her interest is high then she'll touch you most likely so it doesn't matter which way you go

but if her interest isn't that high you might be waiting all night for her to initiate, and you don't want to waste all night
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Quite the opposite holds true: If you don't touch a girl because you fear the image that you may portray by acting on a volition that both she and you know that you already have, then you have already lost.

Better to exhibit your desire in a strong frame than suppress your desire under the guise of "respect" in a weak frame. As once you fall prey to inaction because of this thought:

You're done.
Man, where you been with these posts? we need more of this.
 

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Don't initiate physical contact until she touches you first.
Apply this thought if you like being friendzoned. Why wait? For her to make some sort of IOI that most men would miss? What if she don't touch you at all?
 

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Apply this thought if you like being friendzoned. Why wait? For her to make some sort of IOI that most men would miss? What if she don't touch you at all?
I don't get friend zoned. If she doesn't initiate you kiss close at the date and continue to proceed the courtship.
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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