"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Tongue during first kiss ever = No Second date

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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TakenDirectly

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Schadenfreudianslip said:
I'm so disgusted by the date I had the other day that I must post in order to prevent you DJs from ever repulsing a girl. You probably already know this if you've read this article or just out of common sense, but I'd like to spare you guys from possibly committing such a faux pas.

I went out with a guy the other day. We went to dinner, and all was okay. We had interesting conversations that made me consider going on a second date with him. However, the time came for a good night kiss. I pursed my lips gently, leaning into... A BIG WET TONGUE that reminded me of a banana slug with rigor mortis. The tongue was in my mouth before the lips even contacted mine. Before I knew it, I was being sucked into the whirlpool Charybdis from the Odyssey (very wet and tried to suck me in). I pulled away, bade him good night, and sped off. A few days later, he emailed me asking me for another date. I laconically wrote that I was not interested in seeing him anymore.

Deep Frenching is not a good first kiss. When I say first kiss, I'm talking about the first contact between 2 lips ever. Tongue before lips is an absolute faux pas. You can start probing with the tongues after you've kissed her lips only for a bit, letting the tension build after and her body language says that she's ready to take the tongue. Start nibbling her lips gently with your lips or brush your lips against hers to see if she wants the tongue. This is just a guideline though, and really you can only tell by body language and intuition.

To women, immediate tongue screams, "I don't believe in foreplay or anything remotely seductive!" Unless her body language screams, "Take me right now!" the first kiss should be seductive and build sexual tension. Women like to be seduced. Nothing is a bigger turn-off than a guy who treats seduction and foreplay as optional or an obligation.

Ugh, that was gross. I'd rather gargle a bucket of diarrhea than ever kiss that guy again.
couple of questions though.

1) On a scale of 1-10 how good looking was this guy?

2) If this guy was better looking, but still had all the same qualities that you noticed on the date (in other words if the date went the same, but he just looked 10x hotter) would you of allowed a french kiss?

3) During the date did he show physical interest or kino?
 

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Listen...a bad first kiss will kill attraction.

First kiss open the doors to "fantasy" in the mind of the woman. You become a non-sexual entity if you give a bad first kiss.
 
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Schadenfreudianslip said:
Heck, he probably learned everything he knows from porn.
Yeah, porn is a gross misrepresentation of sex.:down:
 

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actually i have a very interesting story of a first date and later on.

My first date between me and this girl (call her D) was getting hot and heavy, we started to make out with tongue (at the time, i was terrible with tongue because my ex-gf hated tongue). She hated it and didn't want anything to do with me afterwards.

We were in the same club together and she started to date other guys. I was neutral and became friends with her and her boyfriend. So we continually chill out. I'm actually about to live with her next year as a roommate for college.

Then, the interesting thing is happening recently. She is starting to have feelings for me again. We were just hanging out with each other listening to country music and we look at each other. She just randomly says, "Damnit I miss my boyfriend!"

I say, :up: "It happens when such a sexy guy is in the same room with you." :D

she then says, "Where is this sexy guy in the apartment that you speak of?" ;)

I didn't try anything because I am in a decent relationship at the moment.

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I gotta say the title of this thread as retarded... plenty of tongue action on the first kiss has led to second dates.

but i can agree that it's probably better not use use your tongue on the first kiss to make it "romantic" or whatever.... now that i think about it.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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TakenDirectly said:
couple of questions though.

1) On a scale of 1-10 how good looking was this guy?

2) If this guy was better looking, but still had all the same qualities that you noticed on the date (in other words if the date went the same, but he just looked 10x hotter) would you of allowed a french kiss?

3) During the date did he show physical interest or kino?
You're missing the point. None of those questions / factors matter if the person's kissing technique (and first kiss at that -- first impressions matter) was repulsive.

In fact, word travels fast. In my circle of friends during university, all of the females knows that a certain man cannot kiss. ALL OF THEM. You do not want that reputation.
 
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