Tom Brady's situation is concrete proof that dating for men is always a L

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It's very difficult to be a top tier pickup guy.

Which of the following 4 groups of men sees the most success in terms of sex frequency?

1. Median pro athlete in a major team sport (NBA/NFL/MLB/NHL)
2. Median guy with a steady girlfriend
3. Median guy with a wife
3. Median guy with neither a girlfriend nor wife

I'm going with Group 1.
Of course by far.

I am talking more about what I have actually seen happen. The guy who goes out every weekend and puts in the work wins by numbers game while it does seem like the former athletes I knew (some who I keep in touch with through social media) are struggling big time now with game.
 

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Of course by far.

I am talking more about what I have actually seen happen. The guy who goes out every weekend and puts in the work wins by numbers game while it does seem like the former athletes I knew (some who I keep in touch with through social media) are struggling big time now with game.
I care most about the median guy.

The guy who is a big time approacher of strangers (either at non-bar venues or bars) might be able to do better on sex frequency than a former college athlete or a former pro athlete who is now broke. It's difficult though to be a solid pickup guy. Approaching strangers is a royal pain, especially in non-bar venues.
 

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I care most about the median guy.

The guy who is a big time approacher of strangers (either at non-bar venues or bars) might be able to do better on sex frequency than a former college athlete or a former pro athlete who is now broke. It's difficult though to be a solid pickup guy. Approaching strangers is a royal pain, especially in non-bar venues.
IMO it really depends. In a small city or very small town where social circles are the only thing, former athlete wins. However, in a big city, I do think that guys who have really gotten good at cold approach outpull and outslay a lot of athletes. Sure, maybe not a Ronaldo, but they do it to most of them. I have been around the sports scene a lot and the slaying that athletes do is extremely overhyped.
 

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I have been around the sports scene a lot and the slaying that athletes do is extremely overhyped.
A lot of guys see Tom Brady with Gisele Bundchen or AJ McCarron with Katherine Webb and think athletes have it made. AJ McCarron was a great college QB at Alabama but did nothing in the NFL. While at Alabama, McCarron started dating Miss Alabama and they now have multiple kids together. You're not getting Miss Alabama if you're not an athlete or a rich Southern guy.


 

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Super Bowl parties have even become a romantic relationship litmus test in a lot of social circles. I've noticed, at least with the people I know, that it was super common to bring girlfriends and later wives to Super Bowl parties. For the unattached/marginally attached guys, this is an unbearable feeling. I stopped going to Super Bowl parties in years when I didn't have a woman to bring to one.

A lot of sports fans are big time beta males as you described. Sports watching is voyeuristic, like watching porn and masturbating. Go out and play sports, don't watch them. I care far more about my own playing of sports than spending hours watching a game.
I think folks that are rootless tend to be much less interested in watching sports - why should they? They have no allegiance to anything so there is no participant to root for.

Of course, it must seem odd for so much emotion to be experienced with watching a sport - but then again, why would competing in a sport, with the stakes being so utterly unconsequential, be so emotional? The reason that so much emotion is experienced is because sports, especially team, territory capture & defense sports like soccer, American football, etc. are an experientual activity that humans perceive as nothing less than tribal war, where the stakes are as consequential as can be - the life of the vanquished men, the taking of their women, the enslavement of their children. A fan's team scoring a goal or touchdown is regarded by the deeper parts of consciousness as part of a battle being won, a game/match being a whole battle, and a championship being a great war that has been won. International competitions, with the prominence of the participants' countries, are as just as nations - i.e., tribalism at the next higher level of abstraction.

I don't agree on the "voyeuristic" aspect, but rather the "I could imagine myself there" aspect, which obviously is what porn is about. And while individual competitive sports like boxing could be done, team sports are trickier nut to crack, especially American football with the level of preparation that must be done to have it played at a top level - i.e., as opposed to a couple of blokes in a random pickup game that no depth of strategy. (Most men have a job to pull down the bacon, and either a wife that needs to be gamed, or a lot of time devoted to PUA or OLD, so they might only get a few hours a week in a few months per year to devote to this level of spectator sports - this is in addition to doing his own athletic activity just to stay in shape.) Watching a sporting event at home is just one way someone can decompress from the necessary activities he does in life, just like watching a movie - actually doing the event is a compressing activity.

And taking this line of thought further, why even listen to music? A person should always be playing the music, right? Why should Sir Paul McCartney take in a musical since he could just play his bass instead? An author should always be writing and never read someone else's work. Hey Steven Spielberg, don't enjoy some other director's movie - continue busting your butt to make more movies.
 

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The bottom line is Giselle is tired of being a single parent while having a husband and being married. Not sure why this is so hard to understand or how it would be incredibly frustrating after so many years of running the household and raising the kids with virtually no help to finally have your husband agree to do it only to lie to you and go back to the previous way after a few months with no discussion of it with her.

Don't know any guy who would think this would be OK if the shoe was on the other foot.

At some point, if you are going to be a single parent then why be married, especially when your husband shows such a lack of care about improving the situation? It's a complete lack of respect for her as a wife.

Cannot believe how far from reality most posters are going with this and bringing up stuff that has nothing to do with anything regarding the issues.
 

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@SW15 I guess that is debatable and I have long been in trouble on this site for saying it but I do think that a top tier pickup guy can outslay and do better than most NFL dudes. The reason is, most NFL and football guys (and athletes in general) are too busy playing sports to have the time to go out regularly. Even when I was in college, it seemed like a lot of athletes were playing a niche game if anything. Sure they got the hottest sorority girl but volume wise, they were under too much of a microscope or not going out as much as one would think to slay that much. Once again, I went to a football powerhouse here so this was my observation.

It seemed like a wealthy frat guy was outslaying an athlete. If not them, then someone working in nightlife and going out a ton.

IMO, the sports that produce the biggest slayers are by far:

1. World football/soccer (Ronaldo outslays almost any athlete when in his prime)
2. MMA
A "top tier" guy is going to be tall & athletic himself, and one of the reasons he is "top tier" is that he also FaceMogs his competition. A FaceMogging elite athlete will outslay that non-elite "top tier" guy on a per-effort basis; the only thing the "top tier" guy has is lots of time to hit the nightspots and do PUA, whereas an elite athlete has to spend a lot of time working at being that elite athlete. Most NFL dudes are not FaceMoggers; they sit on the Bell Curve of Face IQ like anyone else (although being very fit obviously helps).

MMA athletes have the bad-boy thing going on, and in any case, their activity is almost pure raw violence. And an ugly man can pull off being an pummeling-sport athlete because he's supposed to always be banged up; only a guy like Tyler Durden (Brad Pitt) can pull off being banged up and still FaceMog.
 

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The bottom line is Giselle is tired of being a single parent while having a husband and being married. Not sure why this is so hard to understand or how it would be incredibly frustrating after so many years of running the household and raising the kids with virtually no help to finally have your husband agree to do it only to lie to you and go back to the previous way after a few months with no discussion of it with her.

Don't know any guy who would think this would be OK if the shoe was on the other foot.

At some point, if you are going to be a single parent then why be married, especially when your husband shows such a lack of care about improving the situation? It's a complete lack of respect for her as a wife.

Cannot believe how far from reality most posters are going with this and bringing up stuff that has nothing to do with anything regarding the issues.
Virtually no help? Do you think a rich supermodel like her would be running the house? Do you think she's doing laundry, cooking food, washing dishes, cleaning the floors and even attending the kids? Foolish you so cute
 
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Virtually no help? Do you think a rich supermodel like her would be running the house? Do you think she's doing laundry, cooking food, washing dishes, cleaning the floors and even attending the kids? Foolish you so cute
Foolish you for not realizing one of the biggest wants for someone who is rich, famous and cannot go anywhere without being mobbed by fans or cameras is to live like a normal person.
 

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@SW15 I guess that is debatable and I have long been in trouble on this site for saying it but I do think that a top tier pickup guy can outslay and do better than most NFL dudes. The reason is, most NFL and football guys (and athletes in general) are too busy playing sports to have the time to go out regularly. Even when I was in college, it seemed like a lot of athletes were playing a niche game if anything. Sure they got the hottest sorority girl but volume wise, they were under too much of a microscope or not going out as much as one would think to slay that much. Once again, I went to a football powerhouse here so this was my observation.

It seemed like a wealthy frat guy was outslaying an athlete. If not them, then someone working in nightlife and going out a ton.

IMO, the sports that produce the biggest slayers are by far:

1. World football/soccer (Ronaldo outslays almost any athlete when in his prime)
2. MMA
I will say most NFL players will beat most guys on here at pickup bar none now that's doesn't mean that they'll get raped in a divorce proceeding like Michael Jordan but you have to look at it at a case by case basis.
 

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It's very difficult to be a top tier pickup guy.

Which of the following 4 groups of men sees the most success in terms of sex frequency?

1. Median pro athlete in a major team sport (NBA/NFL/MLB/NHL)
2. Median guy with a steady girlfriend
3. Median guy with a wife
3. Median guy with neither a girlfriend nor wife

I'm going with Group 1.
MLB might be the hardest due to the little off time you have. Most games are at night and usually playing 6 days a week.

NHL players of all ages seem to have the hottest wives regardless of height or looks. Even though they're the least popular sport and lowest paid sport. Many players are Canadian or northern European which might factor into it since Northern Europe and Canada has some really hot white women.
 

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MLB might be the hardest due to the little off time you have. Most games are at night and usually playing 6 days a week.
NBA and NHL guys have a lot of night games too.

Some good pickup artists can have a sex life better than that of a pro athlete, without having to show up for games. Although these pickup artists will be doing the bar thing late into the night or at bars on app arranged dates quite late too.
 

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NBA and NHL guys have a lot of night games too.

Some good pickup artists can have a sex life better than that of a pro athlete, without having to show up for games. Although these pickup artists will be doing the bar thing late into the night or at bars on app arranged dates quite late too.
yes but not every night, and weekends have afternoon games at times.
 
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I’d take my chances being an nfl/nba player gaming chicks than an average pua guy lol. They don’t really need to go out approaching girls because girls find them.
 

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I’d take my chances being an nfl/nba player gaming chicks than an average pua guy lol. They don’t really need to go out approaching girls because girls find them.
You were not among the best football players on campus at your SEC school. I'm not sure what your attraction-seduction skill level was then either.
 

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I’d take my chances being an nfl/nba player gaming chicks than an average pua guy lol. They don’t really need to go out approaching girls because girls find them.
True. But also remember many are gold diggers. Even your 300lb NFL players get hot wives when they're big blocking tubs of lard that if they were not a pro player they'd only land a land whales.

We shouldn't be comparing sports players and celebs to us SS forum members. They're 1 percent of the population. Seriously no matter how hard you work on yourself you're not going to pickup women like a Tiger Woods or Auston Matthews or Albert Pujols now that he's single.

They live in another World than we do, associate with totally different people too. Both men and women.
 

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True. But also remember many are gold diggers. Even your 300lb NFL players get hot wives when they're big blocking tubs of lard that if they were not a pro player they'd only land a land whales.

We shouldn't be comparing sports players and celebs to us SS forum members. They're 1 percent of the population. Seriously no matter how hard you work on yourself you're not going to pickup women like a Tiger Woods or Auston Matthews or Albert Pujols now that he's single.

They live in another World than we do, associate with totally different people too. Both men and women.
This is true. Pujols underachieved in the 2000s by marrying a woman who was already a single mom. He married her before he got to the pros.
 

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Even when relationships exceed 5 years, as Tom Brady's did, women start to get bored in monogamy.
My friends are being to change their behaviour and let them wife's to have an occasional sex experience.
 

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Tom Brady did get roasted badly about taking an L with Gisele.

 
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