"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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To those who still have their v-cards, how far have you gone with a girl?

SoSuave virgins, how far have you gotten with a girl?

  • Virgin and have never kissed a girl

    Votes: 7 20.6%
  • Virgin but have kissed a girl (or first base)

    Votes: 3 8.8%
  • Virgin but have felt up a girl (or second base)

    Votes: 2 5.9%
  • Virgin but have fingered a girl (or third base)

    Votes: 4 11.8%
  • Virgin but have given/received oral sex

    Votes: 3 8.8%
  • I am not a virgin

    Votes: 15 44.1%

  • Total voters
    34

MrJibbles

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I am just curious to see where I stand, sexually-speaking, in comparison with some of the other virgins on this site. Personally, besides never having fvcked a girl, I have never kissed one. Some of us here, though virgins, may have at least gained hook-ups. On what part of the spectrum do you lie, SoSuave members?
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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BatJuan

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I think there's some notion that most virgins haven't had sex because they suck with women, or that they will eventually succumb to temptation. When I was 15 years old I posted something on a message board saying I'd wait until marriage, and this guy called me out saying that I should "wait until I grow up" and to get back to him in five years. In the subsequent five year period I had several girlfriends, including the obligatory extreme face-sucking make out sessions, and I even had one chick begging me to bang her while we were alone in this secluded park, but I stood my ground. Five years later I messaged the guy back, much to his surprise, and now at almost 24 years of age, I still haven't changed my views.

I just don't feel the need to be sexually active (despite the biological urges), so my activity is generally limited to kissing. I guess some of the heavy stuff could be considered feeling someone up, but I'm not one of those touchy-feely kind of guys.
 

Eternal_water

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when we were little kids growing up and were still in primary school and had very little knowledge of sex, me and the girl next door used to experiment getting naked in bed and doing various things with each other and we always noted it felt good and exciting when my c**k rubbed against her v****a.

Several years later we found out why lol.

I've had one girlfriend when I was 17/18 for around 10 months. we did a fair amount of kissing and our fair share of neck kissing and some full on face sucking makeouts and I touched her up a bit but we never had sex. Eventually she dumped me cos she said we didn't see each other enough.

No action since, still a virgin.
 

Ihateinitiatingalot7

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i'm 24, i've done everything except for sticking it in, so no penetration, i've kissed, made out, fingered, sucked on titties, both have received and given oral sex, but the last time i experienced all of this was when i was 20.
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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Chamber36

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BatJuan said:
I think there's some notion that most virgins haven't had sex because they suck with women, or that they will eventually succumb to temptation. When I was 15 years old I posted something on a message board saying I'd wait until marriage, and this guy called me out saying that I should "wait until I grow up" and to get back to him in five years. In the subsequent five year period I had several girlfriends, including the obligatory extreme face-sucking make out sessions, and I even had one chick begging me to bang her while we were alone in this secluded park, but I stood my ground. Five years later I messaged the guy back, much to his surprise, and now at almost 24 years of age, I still haven't changed my views.

I just don't feel the need to be sexually active (despite the biological urges), so my activity is generally limited to kissing. I guess some of the heavy stuff could be considered feeling someone up, but I'm not one of those touchy-feely kind of guys.

In the past 7 years every single cell in your body has been replaced. You are literally not the same guy you were at 15.

I would not let a little 15 yr old boy dictate my actions.....
 

djokovic77

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I think if you're a virgin at over 21, you should just go up to girls/milfs/ skunks in bars and make a fool of yourself until you find one sl*t that will do it. It really makes a difference after it's over. You can sort of relax. There's a lot of power in it.
 

MM92

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How on earth someone can be in their 20's and still a virgin i'll never know.
 

Eternal_water

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MM92 said:
How on earth someone can be in their 20's and still a virgin i'll never know.
If no girls are willing to have sex with you then you remain a virgin unless you take it by force, but that gets frowned upon.

Perhaps after graduation a celebratory trip to amsterdam :mad:
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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wtf are you talking about? never heard of paying for it? I was a virgin until I was 26, wish I'd stayed that way for years longer, and put more money in the bank. If you let yourself, and let her, you can ruin your life by involvement with the wrong woman, the wrong time, the wrong approach to life.
 

MM92

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Eternal_water said:
If no girls are willing to have sex with you then you remain a virgin unless you take it by force, but that gets frowned upon.

Perhaps after graduation a celebratory trip to amsterdam :mad:
But they are. If you're a virgin then in 95% of circumstances it has nothing to do with the way you look. It's your lack of "game" that is the reason and that can be sorted out. That's why you're here, right?
 

Eternal_water

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Yes but I don't see your point.

Looks wasn't what I was refering to. I actually like my looks. I look in the mirror and like what I see.

My lack of game is why I'm still a virgin, and my lack of game is very much a part of me. And its what I want to try and improve on.
 

Eternal_water

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Ihateinitiatingalot7 said:
seriously, how are some guys born with game meanwhile others have to struggle to gain it?
I guess its to do with nature, every species has strong and weak.

Also upbringing, if you were raised by a father with game or had an older brother with game you are bound to have picked something up.

My dad is 40 years older than me, stuck in the stone age and I have no brother and 1 sister, so I guess I got femminised a bit.

I need to build the I dont give a **** attitiude neded to approach
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Ihateinitiatingalot7

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Eternal_water said:
I guess its to do with nature, every species has strong and weak.

Also upbringing, if you were raised by a father with game or had an older brother with game you are bound to have picked something up.

My dad is 40 years older than me, stuck in the stone age and I have no brother and 1 sister, so I guess I got femminised a bit.

I need to build the I dont give a **** attitiude neded to approach
yeah it's like for so many guys, it's common sense for them, it's like "game" is instinctual for them, it's like they had "game" in them from day one, i'm not trying to compare myself to them because that is a waste of time, but it's like they were born knowing how to approach and talk to girls, women, but other guys were not. Also, my Dad told me that a lot of guys who grow up with an older sister or sister close to your age, it helps a lot, since i don't have any sisters, maybe that hurt me as well.
 

Eternal_water

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Ihateinitiatingalot7 said:
yeah it's like for so many guys, it's common sense for them, it's like "game" is instinctual for them, it's like they had "game" in them from day one, i'm not trying to compare myself to them because that is a waste of time, but it's like they were born knowing how to approach and talk to girls, women, but other guys were not. Also, my Dad told me that a lot of guys who grow up with an older sister or sister close to your age, it helps a lot, since i don't have any sisters, maybe that hurt me as well.
I think you misread some of my post.

I do have a sister, 1 sister 6 years older than me, which means I grew up listening to her and her friends talking about how they love nice sensitive guys and not being old enough to know better I took it all in.

Also meant years of my mum and sister playing chick flicks and observing how succesful the good guys are in the fictional storylines.

And I had no brother to do guy stuff with, hence growing up to be the nice guy. And now I know better and am working on deleting niceness from myself.
 

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And If I'm still a virgin at 25 I'm going to amsterdam for a week and I'll be taking some bloody good condoms.
 

MM92

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Eternal_water said:
Yes but I don't see your point.

Looks wasn't what I was refering to. I actually like my looks. I look in the mirror and like what I see.

My lack of game is why I'm still a virgin, and my lack of game is very much a part of me. And its what I want to try and improve on.
...But they probably are willing to have sex with you, you're just too much of a faggot to make it happen.
 

Leporello

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Something like 12% of men over the age of 25 are still virgins - that's 1 in 8. Not the norm but hardly uncommon.

I basically lost my V the first chance I got and I haven't regretted it.
 

“The 22 Psychological Triggers That Make Women Chase You… Starting Tonight”

Forget the cash, the cars, and the chiseled jawlines. Female desire operates on a completely different frequency. Primal. Subconscious. Triggers that bypass her logic and hit her on a gut level. Most guys are totally blind to them.

I know because I was one of them. The overthinking. The paralysis. The silent drive home kicking yourself for freezing up. Watching average guys walk away with the girl while you stood there stuck in your own head.

Then I decoded the psychology behind what actually makes women tick. 22 hard rules.  Subtle behavioral shifts that rewired my entire reality. The anxiety evaporated. Women started leaning in. Investing. Chasing.

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