"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Would you say, you still have to "DO THE WORK" meaning

1. calling them, initiating convo
2. initiating the kino
3. initiating the sex

How much work do you have to do?
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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lol. i think i'm far from being rockstar but i'm getting surprisingly often approached lately.
1. when they text first me i always call back. the sooner the better. just keep the calls short. i call about over... 3 days... or something like that. assuming there's positive response. the idea of calling is getting next date and maybe lifting bit her emotions. but she has to be responsive you can't lift the emotions of a brick wall.
2. i don't initiate mostly kino. i don't have to, because they do it. maybe you have to do it first, i don't know. it's funny because i was surprised that girl does not kill you or call immediately the security when you touch her purposely.
3. when they initiate kino (that's normal, don't freak about it) that's the sign that they're ready to be more touched and kissed. and kissing leads to...

anyway the less work the better. it's much more about your presence that your deeds.
 

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verysuave said:
How much work do you have to do?
Case by Case basis. But usually some of it. The real work begins when it's time to pry them off you. Clingy, stalker activity is work to deal with.
 

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mcs said:
lol. i think i'm far from being rockstar but i'm getting surprisingly often approached lately.
1. when they text first me i always call back. the sooner the better. just keep the calls short. i call about over... 3 days... or something like that. assuming there's positive response. the idea of calling is getting next date and maybe lifting bit her emotions. but she has to be responsive you can't lift the emotions of a brick wall.
2. i don't initiate mostly kino. i don't have to, because they do it. maybe you have to do it first, i don't know. it's funny because i was surprised that girl does not kill you or call immediately the security when you touch her purposely.
3. when they initiate kino (that's normal, don't freak about it) that's the sign that they're ready to be more touched and kissed. and kissing leads to...

anyway the less work the better. it's much more about your presence that your deeds.
theres this one girl from work, (im doing an experiment on this). Anyway, so she texted me, she got my number somehow.. I replied back to her text by texting her back.

We see each other at work next day, ive escalated kino and so did she. She walks me outside work after i get off.. I told her, call me the nexy day, 4:00PM on the DOT. She didnt, oh well.

My experiment here was to see how much work/effort or how far ONE is willing
to go to go out with me. Anyway, I havent called her back. I'm waiting for this mother of 3 to initiate everything. We'll see where it goes
 

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mcs said:
lol. i think i'm far from being rockstar but i'm getting surprisingly often approached lately.
1. when they text first me i always call back. the sooner the better. just keep the calls short. i call about over... 3 days... or something like that. assuming there's positive response. the idea of calling is getting next date and maybe lifting bit her emotions. but she has to be responsive you can't lift the emotions of a brick wall.
Strike while the IRON is still hot?
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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wjh said:
yes but i don't look at it as work - it's fun for me.
meaning, you get the number. Or lets say you have each other's numbers already and you still have to all them?

Some experiments I did, I have had women thrown their numbers at (ex: what kind of ringtone do you like? Okay, I'm gona hear that ringtone when you call me) and not called them because I was expecting them to call me and initiate everything since they ALREADY have my number after doing a number exchange. (these women avg from 7-7.5 in looks) Well, they didn't call to my surprise :cry:

Would you say HOT women with a score of 8-9 looks wise are the only ones who have guts to INITIATE the calling part? I've never really had a "HOTTY" but to you guys who had one, whats your opiinion/experience?
 

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I usually have to do 2 and 3. Normally though, the girls I generally get with do all of the initiation out of high IL.
 

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verysuave said:
Would you say, you still have to "DO THE WORK" meaning

1. calling them, initiating convo
2. initiating the kino
3. initiating the sex

How much work do you have to do?
i dont exaclt get "laid like a rockstar", but i have had a good amount of sex this year.

how much work do you have to do: it really depends. personally, im in college, and i havent been on a date in very very long time. (since of middle of senior year in HS). So far in college, getting laid generally happens after meeting the girl for the first time- or else barely knowing the girl and then running into her at a party.

one of the best tactics i know of, is meeting a girl in class and just exchanging small talk, keep it flirty but ntohign serious. then a little while later, invite her to a party -if she goes, you know shes interested. then work it from there, even if she's just there to have to have fun, you'll be one of the only guys she knows (and im sure you'll know plenty of people, as you got to choose the party); this gives a lot of social proof and she should stick to you like glue.

to asnwer your questions specifically
1: i never call, as i dont have reason to, but i certainly initiate the convo -but only after recieving an ioi like a smile or soemthing
2: i definately start the kino. for me, my favorite approach is during beer games. where i'll pretty much go for "high fives" left and right. then a little while later, i get alittle more touchy, and after some more time, shes probably touching me just as much
3. sex is a little tricky. you dont exactly tell her "i want sex" or anything but definately always i go for the kiss. when that heats up, shell most certainly always lead you to the next step. IF not, escalate little by little. she'll let you know if youve gone too far.

good luck!
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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venser said:
i dont exaclt get "laid like a rockstar", but i have had a good amount of sex this year.

how much work do you have to do: it really depends. personally, im in college, and i havent been on a date in very very long time. (since of middle of senior year in HS). So far in college, getting laid generally happens after meeting the girl for the first time- or else barely knowing the girl and then running into her at a party.

one of the best tactics i know of, is meeting a girl in class and just exchanging small talk, keep it flirty but ntohign serious. then a little while later, invite her to a party -if she goes, you know shes interested. then work it from there, even if she's just there to have to have fun, you'll be one of the only guys she knows (and im sure you'll know plenty of people, as you got to choose the party); this gives a lot of social proof and she should stick to you like glue.

to asnwer your questions specifically
1: i never call, as i dont have reason to, but i certainly initiate the convo -but only after recieving an ioi like a smile or soemthing
2: i definately start the kino. for me, my favorite approach is during beer games. where i'll pretty much go for "high fives" left and right. then a little while later, i get alittle more touchy, and after some more time, shes probably touching me just as much
3. sex is a little tricky. you dont exactly tell her "i want sex" or anything but definately always i go for the kiss. when that heats up, shell most certainly always lead you to the next step. IF not, escalate little by little. she'll let you know if youve gone too far.

good luck!
you said #1 "you don't have to".. so they initiate the call? you that good looking?
 

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verysuave said:
you said #1 "you don't have to".. so they initiate the call? you that good looking?
haha nah, i mean that i never call them. nobody ever calls anyone is more like what im trying to say. I meet the girl at a party and thats where i have sex with her. I dont really call them afterwards.
 

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verysuave said:
Would you say HOT women with a score of 8-9 looks wise are the only ones who have guts to INITIATE the calling part? I've never really had a "HOTTY" but to you guys who had one, whats your opiinion/experience?
i really don't see any difference in score - when she is interested she'll just call :up:
 

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Again, like others said, I am not a rockstar either. But, just like learning how to ride a bike, if you get out there and work at it every day, it doesnt seem like work anymore it becomes habit. I haven't rode a bike in years, but all the days as a child riding my bike has it so down in my brain that I could jump on and go.
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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