"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
To the guys who get laid here like a rockstar
- Thread starter verysuave
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"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."
Attraction runs on a clock.
She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.
The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."
One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.
Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.
1. when they text first me i always call back. the sooner the better. just keep the calls short. i call about over... 3 days... or something like that. assuming there's positive response. the idea of calling is getting next date and maybe lifting bit her emotions. but she has to be responsive you can't lift the emotions of a brick wall.
2. i don't initiate mostly kino. i don't have to, because they do it. maybe you have to do it first, i don't know. it's funny because i was surprised that girl does not kill you or call immediately the security when you touch her purposely.
3. when they initiate kino (that's normal, don't freak about it) that's the sign that they're ready to be more touched and kissed. and kissing leads to...
anyway the less work the better. it's much more about your presence that your deeds.
Mistic
Senior Don Juan
Case by Case basis. But usually some of it. The real work begins when it's time to pry them off you. Clingy, stalker activity is work to deal with.verysuave said:
theres this one girl from work, (im doing an experiment on this). Anyway, so she texted me, she got my number somehow.. I replied back to her text by texting her back.mcs said:
We see each other at work next day, ive escalated kino and so did she. She walks me outside work after i get off.. I told her, call me the nexy day, 4:00PM on the DOT. She didnt, oh well.
My experiment here was to see how much work/effort or how far ONE is willing
to go to go out with me. Anyway, I havent called her back. I'm waiting for this mother of 3 to initiate everything. We'll see where it goes
"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"
Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.
You've been "getting ready" for two years.
She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.
Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.
wjh
Master Don Juan
meaning, you get the number. Or lets say you have each other's numbers already and you still have to all them?wjh said:
Some experiments I did, I have had women thrown their numbers at (ex: what kind of ringtone do you like? Okay, I'm gona hear that ringtone when you call me) and not called them because I was expecting them to call me and initiate everything since they ALREADY have my number after doing a number exchange. (these women avg from 7-7.5 in looks) Well, they didn't call to my surprise
Would you say HOT women with a score of 8-9 looks wise are the only ones who have guts to INITIATE the calling part? I've never really had a "HOTTY" but to you guys who had one, whats your opiinion/experience?
i dont exaclt get "laid like a rockstar", but i have had a good amount of sex this year.verysuave said:
how much work do you have to do: it really depends. personally, im in college, and i havent been on a date in very very long time. (since of middle of senior year in HS). So far in college, getting laid generally happens after meeting the girl for the first time- or else barely knowing the girl and then running into her at a party.
one of the best tactics i know of, is meeting a girl in class and just exchanging small talk, keep it flirty but ntohign serious. then a little while later, invite her to a party -if she goes, you know shes interested. then work it from there, even if she's just there to have to have fun, you'll be one of the only guys she knows (and im sure you'll know plenty of people, as you got to choose the party); this gives a lot of social proof and she should stick to you like glue.
to asnwer your questions specifically
1: i never call, as i dont have reason to, but i certainly initiate the convo -but only after recieving an ioi like a smile or soemthing
2: i definately start the kino. for me, my favorite approach is during beer games. where i'll pretty much go for "high fives" left and right. then a little while later, i get alittle more touchy, and after some more time, shes probably touching me just as much
3. sex is a little tricky. you dont exactly tell her "i want sex" or anything but definately always i go for the kiss. when that heats up, shell most certainly always lead you to the next step. IF not, escalate little by little. she'll let you know if youve gone too far.
good luck!
"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."
Attraction runs on a clock.
She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.
The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."
One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.
Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.
theunflushables
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"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"
Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.
You've been "getting ready" for two years.
She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.
Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.