Thoughts on this text game and situation?

[salinechow]

Ok, I am going to deviate from the norm here a little. I actually like the way you handled the texts in your original message. I actually think you have some semblance of control over your oneitis here and I think you are wise to realize it is only an infatuation and conquest you desire. Soooo....
Id say, beat the b1tch at her own game. Its a risk but if you got the balls, it just might work.

Id text her that you did real well at work this month and have the money for her shoes tucked under your mattress. You just need her to come over and cook you a little dinner( youll buy the ingredients and the wine) and that you need her to help you find the money tucked under your mattress.

When she gets to your house, take off her pants and have her cook you dinner in her panties while you seduce her with wine and music and ass pinches. Then when she does, no matter what the sh!yt tates like, tell her it was delicious but not as delicious as watching her cook it and take her ( like bigniel said yesterday) by the hair, while you kiss her, to your bedroom. Man up, disrobe her, and make her feel like a feminine woman and ravage her. Well. Sweetly and rough. Then, reach under your bed, and hand her a 100 to HELP her buy her shoes.

This, I understand, is a complete deviation from what most might say on the forum. But, you need to understand the dynamic here. You want her puzzy and she wants the shoes. OK, so what, you dont need to lose or have 15 million or a yaht. You dont even need the fulll 200 hundred. You just need her a$$ in your mouth and her feeling pretty everytime she wears the shoes you helped her buy. I dont see an issue with that.

If she wants to act like a store bought sl^t I see no problem with you getting what you want while giving her what she wants. THE GIANT difference is you are GIVING on YOUR terms. If you got the ballz and she agrees, I see a pretty sexy agreement here and a win win.

And, just FYI, I speak to this, from experience. I made a very similar interaction to the one you are stating work to this almost exact advantage.

Pics and proof upon request. ( I even took video that night. NOT available upon request.)

Chick would text me while out with other dudes how lame she thought they were and aslo thought herself sexy, that she knew she was my side piece( I had a girlfriend at the time rhat she somewhat knew about).

The dinner she cooked was crap, but my game that night was good. She even told me " Im not taking your money, what do you think I am a *****e"

Call it chump, or anything else you want, but I venmod her the money the next day with a message that read this. " For your shoes, or your uber rides home next time."

Needless to say, she made a few more videos with me before she left town.

You dont need a yacht or 15 million to be a man. You just need to be a man. ( and make her feel like the woman she is testing you to be)

Or, next her, she is indeed a user and a sh!tbag. But....

The glass is not half empty or half full....its a beautiful glass.

Life and moments therein, are what you make it.

 

[driftwood]

Well whats my other option stop talking to her?

. Here is what I was gonna text her "Ashley look I know your hesitant to get involved with me because of my age, but meet up with me and lets hookup. If I don't have the biggest **** of any guy you've ever been with I'll give you the cash for the shoes on the spot and you can slap me for wasting your time and never talk to me again. I know one night stands aren't your thing but Ill make it worth your while "

lol...thats the only real option I have here at this point.

Whoa whoa whoa. You are totally mistaken on your reading of the situation.

You have some basic misunderstanding of nature of the Game here. You are getting some things right like realizing that asking for the shoes was just a test but you're missing some basics.

Fundamental Fact: Girls love to play the Game. For most guys, playing the Game is not different than trying to get through a grueling obstacle course in basic training - it's just a chore to that you want to get through to get to the end.
Fundamental Fact: Girls are phoney to their very core and dislike reality. There is no genuineness in a girl - she is just a reflection of other people's opinions. Yes she does have some basic instincts and biological drives at her core (like any creature) but her philosophy and ethics are non-existant and her soul itself is meager and wan.

So, let's look at what you did here.

me "Im sure that guy with the yacht will buy them for you" (when we first started talking she was trying to impress me bragging about all these rich guys being after her) [good reply]
her "lol...Mike wtf. I told you I don't talk to him anymore"
me "Im just messing with you, nice shoes"
her "I Want them. Buy them for me. (she thens throws in a princess emoji) jk jk"
me "haha. so what are you doing this Friday night?" [ending the game too soon]

First off, the girl is interested in you or else she wouldn't even be talking to you. Understand that your failure is not with an uninterested girl but with a girl who is interested. However, girls are never interested very strongly. Their interest is conditional just like their love.

When she is talking about the shoes, she is being deceitful and playing Games with your. You gotta understand what you are dealing with. You are NOT DEALING WITH AN HONEST AND GENUINE PERSON! All the behavior you learned for dealing with normal people is not going to apply here because you are not dealing with someone acting normal.

Now remember that first fundamental fact I mentioned - girls like playing the Game. You tried to end the Game and get real and setup a meetup. This is totally understandable. Guys don't enjoy the manipulation and fakeness and they want to get to what's real whether that be sex or love. Girls, however, think you are no fun if you end the game like you tried to do. The game doesn't end until you come on her face. Remember that!

You should have kept playing the game with her until she was so dramatically worked up that she would finally be willing to meet up with you. A meetup requires a high degree of interest and interest from women is garnered by being high status and drama. The point of your txt conversation with her is joke around and spin a soap opera fairy tale of drama. The drama causes women to be interested in you.

The way you do it is with pull/push. Yes I know everyone calls this push/pull but the proper ordering is actually pull followed by push. In this case, she initiated and you pushed away by rejecting the idea of buying the shoes for her (correct game playing). You should then pull her back in somehow. Maybe say something like "Nice shoes. They'll look great on you when you model them for me." Then follow with a little fluff and then find the next thing to push her away from you. You'll need to do this several times at least and maybe even a dozen times before you've built up enough drama and bull**** that she will actually be compelled to take action by her emotional mind. Unlike men who make decisions with their rational minds, women are only compelled by their emotional minds. If she has to make any logical logic decisions it will just be a decision to reject you because a girl's default course of behavior is rejection.

At the end of your txt conversation after you've gotten her worked up enough, you should offer her one last PULL. Offer to maybe meetup and she can show you all the shoes she likes. You intentionally offer her a pathway to scoring off you by implying that you might buy her the shoes. Of course, when you actually meet up, you should NEVER BUY HER SQUAT. Give her something (pull) and then take it away (push). You need to show a little weakness so she feels she could win the game. You shouldn't shut her down super strongly because that will just end the game pre-maturely.

"Ashley look I know your hesitant to get involved with me because of my age, but meet up with me and lets hookup. If I don't have the biggest **** of any guy you've ever been with I'll give you the cash for the shoes on the spot and you can slap me for wasting your time and never talk to me again. I know one night stands aren't your thing but Ill make it worth your while"

OMG what you wrote was cringeworthy. There you go being blunt and right to the point but women hate that because women LIKE GAMES and women ARE PHONEY and HATE GENUINESS.

Look, you're not in a bad situation. You said you got no options left but in fact, you walked out of the last txt interaction being the victor. She scored no points off you. True, you actually had an open shot which you didn't take by shifting from game playing to being real but that's not a true defeat yet. However, if you constantly show that you're not a Player by constantly going real while you should have been staying fake, she will eventually realize you do not know how to play games with women which is tantamount to being a beta in womens' minds.

 

[driftwood]

Oh wait, I didn't see that you had already been on three dates with her and nothing has happened yet. Sorry but you blew it. Just forget this chick and find someone else.

 

[devilkingx2]

I wouldve responded to the shoes request with either "sure, I'll buy 'em and sell them back to you for 300" or "sure I'll buy, loan me 300 bucks though"

Also if you make it to date 3 without getting laid, things are going really really badly unless you come really close to getting laid

 

[mrgoodstuff]

This didn't turn out well? You chump out when you submitted and bought her something.

 

[marmel75]

This is where I stopped reading. What do YOU think you were doing wrong?

Isnt it amazing how someone who has been on these forums for this long, says they bang all these women and has all these options still cannot grasp that it is a fools errand to waste 90% of one's time energy and resources on attempting to make disinterested women more interested instead of using that time to actually find interested women already that simplify their lives?

THIS IS THE BASIS OF ALL SUCCESS WITH WOMEN. You find interested women who make things easy for you not hard and it then becomes a matter of setting up dates with them and them accepting them eagerly. No wasted time, no games, no BS.

I swear I dont get how guys cant comprehend this. Somehow they seem to feel like because they got a number and are stuck at 25% that it will be easier than starting at 0% with a new woman who will quickly allow you to get to 100%.

OP, in the month you have been chasing this woman, you could have found a new woman who was intereste and have been banging her regularly instead of still playing switch text with this one.

 

[RangerMIke]

FWIW my belief is stuff like this really isn't a test. When a woman asks you to do something or buy something, she really wants you to get her these things and do stuff for her. It's not really a 'test' per se, she is only behaving in a way that many men in her life have trained her to behave.

The whole PUA stuff where chicks are testing you is a miss-characterization of what is going on. A 'test' implies if you take certain actions you 'pass', and if you don't you 'fail'. The truth is that even if you 'pass' a 'test', you can still 'fail', if she isn't attracted to you. You can even 'fail' a 'test' and pass if she believes you will be able to meet other needs she might have. If you are Brad Pitt, with looks, wealth, and status and you do things for her, she will still still give you what you want as long as you have the balls to go for it. In contrast, if you are average looking or less, are a little over-weight, working three jobs to make ends meat, and live with three roommates and sleep on your mattress, passing 'tests' isn't really going to help you.

If you have a bunch of money, and dropping $200 for a pair of shoes for a women is nothing for you, AND you genuinely WANT to do it and LIKE doing these things, then fine, go ahead and buy the shoes. But get something in return, she has to put effort into you otherwise she won't respect you... it's not a test, it's getting reciprocity so that she values you. Now if a chick had done this with me, sent me a picture of shoes and asked me to buy them for her, and I felt like playing with her I would say "I bet those shoes would make your @ss look great... I'll buy them for you, but you have to model them for me naked so I can see if I'm right about your @ss." Then see what she does with that... if you've never done something like that before you might be surprised by a positive response. If she jokes around with you and changes the subject, then she's still okay. If she gets all butt hurt and stupid about it then she's no fun and you don't want to spend time with her anyway.

Just be true to yourself, don't do anything with any expectation of return. Just don't be a hyper-pleasing nice guy always willing to bend over backwards to make her happy, because it will not work for you. Chicks hate nice guys because you are behaving in a way that says that for some reason you are not good enough, so you have to make up for your short-coming by surrendering your needs to hers.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

FWIW my belief is stuff like this really isn't a test. When a woman asks you to do something or buy something, she really wants you to get her these things and do stuff for her. It's not really a 'test' per se, she is only behaving in a way that many men in her life have trained her to behave.

The whole PUA stuff where chicks are testing you is a miss-characterization of what is going on. A 'test' implies if you take certain actions you 'pass', and if you don't you 'fail'. The truth is that even if you 'pass' a 'test', you can still 'fail', if she isn't attracted to you. You can even 'fail' a 'test' and pass if she believes you will be able to meet other needs she might have. If you are Brad Pitt, with looks, wealth, and status and you do things for her, she will still still give you what you want as long as you have the balls to go for it. In contrast, if you are average looking or less, are a little over-weight, working three jobs to make ends meat, and live with three roommates and sleep on your mattress, passing 'tests' isn't really going to help you.

If you have a bunch of money, and dropping $200 for a pair of shoes for a women is nothing for you, AND you genuinely WANT to do it and LIKE doing these things, then fine, go ahead and buy the shoes. But get something in return, she has to put effort into you otherwise she won't respect you... it's not a test, it's getting reciprocity so that she values you. Now if a chick had done this with me, sent me a picture of shoes and asked me to buy them for her, and I felt like playing with her I would say "I bet those shoes would make your @ss look great... I'll buy them for you, but you have to model them for me naked so I can see if I'm right about your @ss." Then see what she does with that... if you've never done something like that before you might be surprised by a positive response. If she jokes around with you and changes the subject, then she's still okay. If she gets all butt hurt and stupid about it then she's no fun and you don't want to spend time with her anyway.

Just be true to yourself, don't do anything with any expectation of return. Just don't be a hyper-pleasing nice guy always willing to bend over backwards to make her happy, because it will not work for you. Chicks hate nice guys because you are behaving in a way that says that for some reason you are not good enough, so you have to make up for your short-coming by surrendering your needs to hers.

Those of us gave have familiarity with these things in 2018 know your NOT supposed to buy them though. There's no good reason unless your in a LTR and you want to. It's simping otherwise, she might not acknowledge this is what it is, but buy those shoes and watch her not give no pvssy. Also watch her ask you again.

 

[devilkingx2]

Buying shoes for a girl is stupid because it can't possibly benefit you unless you have a foot/shoe/tall girl(if you buy her 6 inch heels)/short girl(if you buy her flats and she usually wears heels) fetish or maybe a legs fetish, buy her a sexy dress or something, seem generous for getting her something so nice, get to see her wear it and have fun with her in it. Win-win

Don't buy it for a girl that wouldn't feel the need to show you any gratitude, don't buy it for a girl who has zero interest in you outside of you potentially buying her things, don't let her think you're beta bux, etc.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Buying shoes for a girl is stupid because it can't possibly benefit you unless you have a foot/shoe/tall girl(if you buy her 6 inch heels)/short girl(if you buy her flats and she usually wears heels) fetish or maybe a legs fetish, buy her a sexy dress or something, seem generous for getting her something so nice, get to see her wear it and have fun with her in it. Win-win

Don't buy it for a girl that wouldn't feel the need to show you any gratitude, don't buy it for a girl who has zero interest in you outside of you potentially buying her things, don't let her think you're beta bux, etc.

Oh and they frame beta bucks really quickly in 2018!

You have zero reason to buy such a gift unless it's your gracious woman or wife in a LTR.

For someone your not fvcking yet you just killed yourself sexually.

 

[MrJack]

Your texts are very bad, definitely don’t send any of the ones you mentioned.

Have you been on a first date with her yet? If not and it’s already been a month then you’ve already become her orbiting texting buddy and you are friend zoned.

I’m guessing you’ve asked her out a few times in that month as well and again, if you’ve never had one with her just forget about her and pursue those other women you’re talking to.

You gave the best advice to yourself in your original post, which is don’t text her ever again until she contacts you first.

Think about it... it’s been 2 days with no response to your date request. She would’ve responded right away with enthusiasm to Chadwick Thunderc0ck.

Therefore, you are not her Chadwick Thunderc0ck someone else is. You are one of her beta orbiters at this point.

The only way to have a chance is to cut all contact and later down the road (months) maybe she will contact you and you’ll have your chance then. But ONLY if you aren’t the same beta orbiter you were.

 

[sazc]

@captain55 if you dont care then I say continue exactly the way you are. MINIMAL EFFORT, when she reaches out to you and when you have the time, expend the effort to getting her to come to you, and be alone with you.

To me it sounds like she is looking for a sugar daddy. You may not succeed in your quest but as long as you are fully cognizant of what you are doing, and are chasing other chicks, be well on your journey

 

[mrgoodstuff]

@captain55 if you dont care then I say continue exactly the way you are. MINIMAL EFFORT, when she reaches out to you and when you have the time, expend the effort to getting her to come to you, and be alone with you.

To me it sounds like she is looking for a sugar daddy. You may not succeed in your quest but as long as you are fully cognizant of what you are doing, and are chasing other chicks, be well on your journey

Sugar daddy doesn't necessarily get laid so don't do that.

 

[Roober]

Never buy something for a woman if it comes as the result of a request. This dynamic shifts the power immensely in her favor. The request itself needs to be corrected or brushed off. "Shoes? You dont need shoes when were fvcking". The purchase is an act of supplication, and the beginning of a power struggle.

Why should u buy it for her?
Why cant she buy it herself?
What do you get in return?
Why should it cost something to get it?

When men buy things for women upon the request of that person, they are bartering for respect which usually ties to sex. I worked hard for my money and I am supposed to give it to you. What does that say about how I value myself? What does that say about the kind of man I am?

Am I saying dont give gifts? Not at all, but gifts are genuine and come from a place of giving rather than an act of

Hmm... cant quite think of the right words...

 

[devilkingx2]

Oh and they frame beta bucks really quickly in 2018!

You have zero reason to buy such a gift unless it's your gracious woman or wife in a LTR.

For someone your not fvcking yet you just killed yourself sexually.

as long as you and the girl have an understanding, it's not beta bux, the difference between beta bux and lets say alpha bux is the understanding

if she's fvcking you so that you will buy her dinner once in a while, that's alpha bux, the sex is a given and the dinner is a reward for being a good girl

if you're buying her dinner so that she might fvck you when the gratitude meter fills up, that's beta bux.

and so when it comes to buying gifts, if you buy the gifts to get sex, that's beta bux because she's throwing you a bone so she can get what she wants. it's if you make it mutual (an understanding that you buy her things so that you can fvck her in them or get sent sexy selfies or whatever) or if it's for you (she wants new things so that she can use them to please you, or lets you pick out everything and wears what you want)

OP can only possibly do beta bux from his situation, but buying a girl a gift isn't inherently beta bux

 

[HankHill]

LOL this thread was started in 2016! welcome to the SS time machine.

 

[MrJack]

LOL this thread was started in 2016! welcome to the SS time machine.

Lol nice catch there

 

[17 shots]

LOL this thread was started in 2016! welcome to the SS time machine.

I made a whole response to this... smfh

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Did he fvck her?

 

[Rainman4707]

A deep, intriguing post from driftwood& i have to agree with Marmel...i would rather go with a girl that makes it easy.

My initial thoughts on original post was i would'nt personally pay for sex any way. I was seeing a girl for four years & hardly bought her anything & i really liked her. I want a girl to like me, for me..not my money. No f*cking way would i buy a girl shoes. A girl i was texting asked me to pay for a hotel to have sex in. I refused.