This place has gone to shyt

[Gamisch]

If you are relying on OLD and clubs/bars then you are pretty much screwed today. Normal women exist out there, but you have to meet them through old school conventional methods.

You can use OLD but ONLY when you're shytes on point. You gotta be that " hidden gem".

But you gotta be the hidden gem whereevrr you go anyway..

 

[SW15]

So you’d argue that if someone is going to be super sensitive and take the rejections personally they’d be better off not even bothering with cold approach or the swipe apps?

Yes. The swipe apps are going to be brutal for them unless they are 6'0"+ and fit/muscular.

As for approaching in real life, the only ones that would be worth doing for those men would be ones where they receive strong IOIs prior to the approach. Being 6'0"+ and fit/muscular will help in receiving more IOIs.

If you are relying on OLD and clubs/bars then you are pretty much screwed today. Normal women exist out there, but you have to meet them through old school conventional methods.

Bars/nightclubs are an old school conventional method.

 

[nicksaiz65]

Yes. The swipe apps are going to be brutal for them unless they are 6'0"+ and fit/muscular.

As for approaching in real life, the only ones that would be worth doing for those men would be ones where they receive strong IOIs prior to the approach. Being 6'0"+ and fit/muscular will help in receiving more IOIs.



Bars/nightclubs are an old school conventional method.

I’d argue that the men should develop a thicker skin & stop taking the rejections so damn personally, but maybe everyone can’t do that?

 

[SW15]

I’d argue that the men should develop a thicker skin & stop taking the rejections so damn personally, but maybe everyone can’t do that?

They should develop a thicker skin but not everyone can do that.

Additionally, some men are going to take a lot of rejections doing approaches due to lower SMV. That could be psychologically devastating. The better play in that situation would be to take some time off and improve SMV. The best way to improve SMV is through improving one's looks. Building a more muscular physique and losing weight are the 2 most common ways to improve looks.

 

[BaronOfHair]

They should develop a thicker skin but not everyone can do that.

More precisely: Doing so frequently requires us to experience temporary discomfort, thus most choose to AVOID developing a thicker skin, instead retreat indoors, fire up the ol' streaming services and assiduously hide from reality

This phenomena isn't even unique to men or mating; Most PEOPLE in general stall out in their careers, upon discovering that adopting different thoughts and behaviors can be uncomfortable, subsequently develop addictions to cable network news, attributing most of their woes to either Capitalism or George Soros and The Immigrants

 

[The Duke]

If you are relying on OLD and clubs/bars then you are pretty much screwed today. Normal women exist out there, but you have to meet them through old school conventional methods.

I get your point but ive found good girls in bad places and bad girls in good places. We all have. I let them show me who they are, not the venue I met them at.

 

[SW15]

Doing so frequently requires us to experience temporary discomfort, thus most choose to AVOID developing a thicker skin, instead retreat indoors, fire up the ol' streaming services and assiduously hide from reality

In terms of mating, men will retreat into using swipe apps and sending DMs on social media platforms. Sending DMs and swiping also leads to rejection, but it isn't real time rejection. It hits differently. Getting rejected from behind a tech screen isn't good.

Rollo Tomassi has mentioned how many men are using sedation tactics to hide from reality. Streaming video services, video games, pornography, masturbation, alcohol, illicit drugs, and prescription drugs are all sedation methods.

 

[BaronOfHair]

Rollo Tomassi has mentioned how many men are using sedation tactics to hide from reality. Streaming video services, video games, pornography, masturbation, alcohol, illicit drugs, and prescription drugs are all sedation methods.

This has been going on since The 1950s, when TVs and radios became ubiquitous, and has just become more of a problem over the ensuing decades. Regular ol' broadcast TV started running 24hrs, cable came along shortly after, The World Wide web was in almost every house in The Post-Industrial World by '99 or so, cable started offering near limitless options... The list goes on

Sad fact is, no law or government policy which doesn't decimate our collective civil liberties can really rectify this ailment. This is ultimately a matter of individual choice

 

[BaronOfHair]

Imperfect as the world was, in the years immediately after 9/11

https://www.reddit.com/r/menwritingwomen/comments/rfdd9t

I can't help but think:

"A social atmosphere where Jennifer Baumgarten(one of 3rd Wave Feminism's rock stars)and Maxim were able to converse and share ideas, even if they didn't always agree with one another, runs light years ahead of the moronicism we've been indulging in for the past decade or so... Where the very NOTION of folks like this making an effort to "talk across party lines" would be declared, by both The Woke Left and large sections of The Manosphere alike, to be "Problematic"/"Blue Pill", "unsafe", and "potentially traumatizing"

And that our mindset was, in most respects, far more adaptive than whatever it is we're doing today:

"Biases and prejudices towards/Ignorance about men exists in our society, and much of that has been propagated by gals who call themselves Feminists, great... Reducing those ills(Biases, Prejudices, and Ignorance towards men, that is)requires us to be crafty in our approach. By guile, rather than brute force, we can dramatically influence the thinking and behavior of even those who are virulently hostile towards us"

 

[Solomon]

If you are relying on OLD and clubs/bars then you are pretty much screwed today. Normal women exist out there, but you have to meet them through old school conventional methods.

Not sure how it is in Nashville but covid killed the nightlife scene where i'm at. There use to be "meat markets" now there is maybe only one. Dating is far more niche though if you trying to bars and clubs most girls are already taken or in some sort of situationship.

 

[nicksaiz65]

Not sure how it is in Nashville but covid killed the nightlife scene where i'm at. There use to be "meat markets" now there is maybe only one. Dating is far more niche though if you trying to bars and clubs most girls are already taken or in some sort of situationship.

Nashville is still great. Sure, it’s declined over the years but don’t let anyone tell you the “scene is dead.” Still lots of girls out there.

 

[CornbreadFed]

Not sure how it is in Nashville but covid killed the nightlife scene where i'm at. There use to be "meat markets" now there is maybe only one. Dating is far more niche though if you trying to bars and clubs most girls are already taken or in some sort of situationship.

Nashville scene sucks outside Broadway unless the tourism there has died down like apparently other cities like Vegas. Houston is a much better environment to where you can go anywhere and find approachable women that won't shun you if you don't look like Riley Green or James Franco.

 

[Divorced w 3]

what do you mean ? most of your posts even if i don't agree, make sense. most of the posters have stable viewpoints. i think your right that a strong or couple of strong leaders would help. its like a full hospital with no dr. probably some of the old guys got there life straight and moved on from these topics. also the environment and world has changed again...

are you in a position to lead more threads ??

its a really useful forum for men that are really lost or struggling with identity. its a little light on how to type info. lots of how it should be, but not so much how to.

I meant to respond to this. Thank you for the response.

To be honest, in the best way possible, no I am not in a position to really lead a lot of new threads. My kids, my job, my life, my health and externals, they don’t leave a lot of room like life used to. I do a lot of out of pocket posting. I am 97% cell phone and when I work remotely, I throw a second screen on periodically and browse and contribute. I do seem to write my best when I can do it from a desktop but that’s not very often.

I like a lot of what you say also and what a lot of others say here. I’m glad that things are getting back on track here

 

[kavi]

Most people in the world dont have the Game anymore. The world is too tough at the moment, too many young broke and desperate with the collapse of the marriage system, the men are victims too.

Online dating seems to be dying, traditional meetings at parties, bars and clubs is also dead now.

Young men and women today dont have the skills and confidence to hold 'frame' ie they dint really know what to do and how to behave or 'hold things together'.

I need to make a YT channel for my own entertainment and sanity, cos im getting too lonely, need some stimulation, and raise my profile and meet people. But I find most people out there cannot really make entertainment, talk in front of a camera, etc ie Game entertainment, skills etc.

The bottom line ifany guy wants to be successful ( i mean younger guys to be fair ppl like divorced is older generation but now its mostly about the newer culture) he needs to know how to be funny, clever, entertaining, hold attention etc and most guys cannot do that.

More guys need to be able to entertain, create 'vibes',but these people are taking things too seriously and being all 'clammed up'.

 

[Solomon]

That’s why good game is as important as ever and that means using the time tested principles.

Totally agree that that's why if you have the basics to a high level, job, nice spot, grooming, confidence, etc. You're already in the top 30% by default. There a lot of men out here that are living at their momma's house, smoke weed, no jobs etc. I'm not just talking young guys either but men in their late 30s and even early 40s

It's competitive sure, but it doesn't take much to rise above the competition if you do the work consistently

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Yes. The swipe apps are going to be brutal for them unless they are 6'0"+ and fit/muscular.

As for approaching in real life, the only ones that would be worth doing for those men would be ones where they receive strong IOIs prior to the approach. Being 6'0"+ and fit/muscular will help in receiving more IOIs.



Bars/nightclubs are an old school conventional method.

Swipe apps were not brutal for me. They actually were pretty amazing for me. I was fit and muscular but I was also 5'8".

At the end of the day like I have in my entire life, I don't care what other people say, think or claim to be true in regards to what I am focusing on doing regarding whether it's possible for me to succeed or not.

I relentlessly pursue the goal, rejections, unsuccessful dates or interactions have absolutely zero effect on my mindset, and I adjust continuously based on the feedback I am getting when need be.

Not surprisingly I almost always end up wildly successful everywhere that I have applied this in my life.

Stop allowing other people to dictate the rules in your life and what is and isn't possible. Dictate them for yourself.

 

[BaronOfHair]

Most people in the world dont have the Game anymore

Ever thinking of this stuff as "Game" was a fatal error. Along with adding all the other Manosphere equivalents to HR Speak (

)we've adopted

 

[Travel memoir21]

Me in the Air Force as a Private working with grown ass Men who were Master Sergeants: ' Where you from sir?' I asked, Tennessee he replied. 'Oh cool, have you ever been to Nashville'?, 'He replied, 'Son, Nashville is expensive and I've got a few adopted kids'. ' Oh, my bad', I said Awkwardly. 'A Chris Stapleton concert there would be an awesome feat I bet', I told him. 'Now there's something we can agree on, he replied. Lol haha

 

[CornbreadFed]

Me in the Air Force as a Private working with grown ass Men who were Master Sergeants: ' Where you from sir?' I asked, Tennessee he replied. 'Oh cool, have you ever been to Nashville'?, 'He replied, 'Son, Nashville is expensive and I've got a few adopted kids'. ' Oh, my bad', I said Awkwardly. 'A Chris Stapleton concert there would be an awesome feat I bet', I told him. 'Now there's something we can agree on, he replied. Lol haha

99% of people from Nashville will tell you they are from Nashville before you even ask them that question lol.