This place has gone to shyt

[BillyPilgrim]

Getting back to theme of the OP this place was better, and better for the male gender at large, when it promoted seduction techniques over the mindless flagellance of SS-styled "self improvement" that on the whole results in men ingratiating themselves to women rather than women ingratiating themselves to men.

 

[Gamisch]

It forces you into to switch from the complainer to the action taker, it makes a big difference in how people see you.


Are you ready for level one? When was the last time you beat it?


What does this mean?


Yet you still write in a seduction community. I prefer puzzy over philosophy if you ask me.


Woah!! who the fvck are you? Some kind of demigod abovee us all that our mere topics of male self improvement bore you? Don't tell me you are a gift to humanity wrapped in paper too.

 

[BaronOfHair]

The UK and US are different countries

So I discovered, last time I was in Chicago searching for a lorry, only to discover that said vehicles are known as "buses" to the locals

 

[Gamisch]

En garde. Seems like you misinterpreted my post but ill give you a proper response nevertheless . Firstly: Why don't you lead by example and go ham on field reports

It forces you into to switch from the complainer to the action taker, it makes a big difference in how people see you.

I can only go along with the part about taking action.

Because just because someone doesn't do xyzt doesn't mean they're complaining. There are more pathways to Rome. Nor is it necessary the right solution for anyone at anytime. Kinda..ludicrous way to put it .How people see you? What people? On an anonymous forum? Or irl? What the heck you mean hombre??

Are you ready for level one? When was the last time you beat it?

Let me chew it up so you can swallow this easy like babyfood ; approach aka making contact IS basic level one human interactions. At some point a man shouldn't be worried anymore about his ability talk to a woman..cmon now. It's will 80% of the time be the same type of interaction. .
What I say is IMO there are more dimensions to dealing with women AFTER the first level( talking stage). I don't see how this triggers you so much.

The last time I successfully approached? I approach every day bro. You see, idgaf about making convo with ANYONE . Because I have the gift of closing the gap. Ive benefited greatly from approaching strangers . I can make a convo and get a client, a contact /contract, p00sy or whatever. On top of that I work amongst people so I have to constantly gauge how people will react. And before that i learned it by literally living ( and sleepin) on the streets.Life to me is wat to precious to not approach other people and to stay in my own bubble..

What does this mean?

This means that back then approach was one of the only ways to meet new women. But due to OLD people don't HAVE to go out. Ask any (former) club /bar owner and he'll tell you.

Yet you still write in a seduction community. I prefer puzzy over philosophy if you ask me.

You can and (should want ) to have both. Simultaneously you shouldn't be dependent upon a small niche forum to get p00sy or not. You should take what's important and necessary for YOU and use it to your advantage while dropping the rest. Better dont drop the gems tho..Because men lack a solid philosophy they're unsuccessful with women. And that's some I experienced in my own life multiple times.

Woah!! who the fvck are you? Some kind of demigod abovee us all that our mere topics of male self improvement bore you? Don't tell me you are a gift to humanity wrapped in paper too.

Well I am indeed one of a kind as there is no one like me and there only one me. I was made in God's spirit so yes I might indeed be a demigod. So should you( aim to) be. Unleash the God within yourself bruh. Don't let anyone tell you you are less than what you strive to be(come)!

This is one of the reasons why I fecking love studying human behavior. You get your panties in a wad even though I thoroughly explain topics that I prefer . It wasn't a jab .Yet it seems to trigger you. Humans are unpredictable and yet predictable..very interesting response lol.

Don't tell me you are a gift to humanity wrapped in paper too.

Thats what she said last night...

On a serious note tho; I'm kind of a gift tho. I just explained I'm all about completing the//my personal puzzle. I am a loyal and hard worker , one that wouldn't double cross others given the opportunity. At the end if the day I try to be a good person who doesnt harm others.That my philosophy and that does make me a gift .

 

[Gamisch]

The devil is in the details and a good field report should allow for a full view of what went right and what could have gone better. This includes either a recap of the language involved or if possible, a copy of the written exchange.

Speaking just for myself, my field reports always involved the approach, the twists and turns that would have possibly lead to losing the close, and then how it went during and post close.

If a field report follows those steps, it should be helpful to men.

I get that.

Yet for some reason it doesn't spark enough people to do it, nor does it spark the most famous faces in the sphere. For a good reason..

Personally ( my opinion) I feel like mass approaching is a waste if time. I've been there mostly during states in my life when I was completely unproductive .

I did however learned how to close the gap. A skill that oftentimes comes in handy. The act FR when it's about women? It's basically the same most of the time.

At the end of the day I here to both teach and learn. I'm thoroughly listening to the counter arguments get.

 

[tksniper]

I would argue that the challenges have become much greater than in 2000-2010 (the height of sosuave) when attention seeking women were 1 in 50. Now, a non attention seeking woman is 1 in 50. This is all due to social media.

But nonetheless, men have always been the ones to right the ship no matter the tides.

So how do we right the ship? I believe it is to be a 100% complete man in mind, spirit, heart, body, and soul.

The "game" is now on 99% difficulty. But still, all it takes is a Don Juan to win this game.

What is a Don Juan? He's a complete man. He works out, he learns everyday (tries to master his profession), he is in touch with his spiritual side, he studies philosophy and emotional intelligence, and lastly but almost always forgotten - he creates.

To be complete, I believe you need to improve .1% everyday in spirituality, physical fitness, emotional intelligence, intellectual (based on your purpose and career), and creativity.

Today I went to the gym, meditated, spent 1 hour listening to audiobooks on emotional intelligence ( the 7 habits of highly effective people is a good recommendation), spent 2 hours studying sales and marketing (my profession), and after I did all of that, I felt compelled to create this post. And thus I feel like I did my duty as a Don Juan. As a result, I had women eye fvcked me all day. Women can feel internal validation and internal status a mile away. Remember - women are feeling creatures. They can always feel you out even before you say a word.

And tomorrow I will have to do it all over again. Because the rent is due everyday. There is no end to being an inner upwards spiral.

So what are the 5 tenets again?

1-spiritual
2- physical
3- emotional
4- intellectual
5 - creativity

I was only inspired to create this post to meet my creativity quota for the day by doing the first 4. Creativity is a privilege. You simply cannot be creative in any meaningful way way unless you paid your dues in other areas.

Even your game with women and ability to make money relies on creativity. And you cannot be creative unless you paid your dues in the spiritual, emotional, physical, and intellectual realms.

Don't take my word for it. Give it a try and see where it takes you.

Doing the first 4 daily puts the horse before the cart. First comes the daily hard masculine WORK. And after, you get to reap the benefits of creativity.

 

[CornbreadFed]

So what are the 5 tenets again?

1-spiritual
2- physical
3- emotional
4- intellectual
5 - creativity

I love this

 

[Glassguy]

People like them move on with their lives. It takes time to build such a person from scratch. I'm working my butt off but it's going to take time.

I agree. People only have the available time to help total strangers for so long....
I think of myself as someone more experienced and more successful than the average guy. Sometimes I have lots of time to post and over the past couple of years, not so much time for it.
Ive also seen a huge amount of men who come onto the forum and ask good questions. Or they want good advice to their current situation only to act like a toddler that didnt get their way when the advice from others didnt match their desire to be a beta male. They literally get their panties in a wad when solid advice doesnt support their unattractive behavior with women. They are lost causes.
There aren't as many "great ones" on here these days BUT there are some really good posters still around that will spread wisdom when they have time.
Just have to be careful about who you take advice from. Losers for life just want to pull a bunch of people down with them.
This game isn't terribly hard to figure out and it seems all the great posters have the same baseline in terms of how they perceive themselves, what they have to offer women and what they are willing to put up with. Most importantly, they see their own value and worth and dont put up with disrespect. And they have learned how to understand women better than most.

 

[BaronOfHair]

I would argue that the challenges have become much greater than in 2000-2010...

The challenges facing men are definitely DIFFERENT today than those we faced during that decade. The 2000s were, by and large, a decade dominated by the shadow of 9/11 and a war on terror that = Men coming home in body bags at rates unseen since The Indochina Conflict. More of us were incarcerated during those years also https://www.npr.org/2025/07/09/nx-s...-rates-mean-americas-prisons-are-emptying-out , with that number falling drastically throughout The 10s, right after peaking in '09

Today, we're no longer in the midst of two simultaneous wars, and we're in most respects better off materially than we were during The 2000s. That said, we're also currently in the most socially constricted era in living memory, second only to The 1950s... Dating and mating get complicated, when having frank conversations about these topics is now considered "problematic" or "Blue Pill" in most quarters of society

Sadly, there's no clear-cut "cure" for a cultural phenomena like that. Just as there's no simple explanation for why the staid 1950s gave way to the free expression-happy ethos of the late 60s and 70s, articulating a simple way out of this clusterf-c- we find ourselves in today is nigh impossible

 

[plumber]

The challenges facing men are definitely DIFFERENT today than those we faced during that decade. The 2000s were, by and large, a decade dominated by the shadow of 9/11 and a war on terror that = Men coming home in body bags at rates unseen since The Indochina Conflict. More of us were incarcerated during those years also https://www.npr.org/2025/07/09/nx-s...-rates-mean-americas-prisons-are-emptying-out , with that number falling drastically throughout The 10s, right after peaking in '09

Today, we're no longer in the midst of two simultaneous wars, and we're in most respects better off materially than we were during The 2000s. That said, we're also currently in the most socially constricted era in living memory, second only to The 1950s... Dating and mating get complicated, when having frank conversations about these topics is now considered "problematic" or "Blue Pill" in most quarters of society

Sadly, there's no clear-cut "cure" for a cultural phenomena like that. Just as there's no simple explanation for why the staid 1950s gave way to the free expression-happy ethos of the late 60s and 70s, articulating a simple way out of this clusterf-c- we find ourselves in today is nigh impossible

what are some of the specific things that have changed. laws, culture, health, tech. what caused this?

 

[tksniper]

The challenges facing men are definitely DIFFERENT today than those we faced during that decade. The 2000s were, by and large, a decade dominated by the shadow of 9/11 and a war on terror that = Men coming home in body bags at rates unseen since The Indochina Conflict. More of us were incarcerated during those years also https://www.npr.org/2025/07/09/nx-s...-rates-mean-americas-prisons-are-emptying-out , with that number falling drastically throughout The 10s, right after peaking in '09

Today, we're no longer in the midst of two simultaneous wars, and we're in most respects better off materially than we were during The 2000s. That said, we're also currently in the most socially constricted era in living memory, second only to The 1950s... Dating and mating get complicated, when having frank conversations about these topics is now considered "problematic" or "Blue Pill" in most quarters of society

Sadly, there's no clear-cut "cure" for a cultural phenomena like that. Just as there's no simple explanation for why the staid 1950s gave way to the free expression-happy ethos of the late 60s and 70s, articulating a simple way out of this clusterf-c- we find ourselves in today is nigh impossible

There actually is a cure. And I'm going to give it to you right now. When you try to get laid with a woman online she will throw you the whole "you're just looking for sex" spiel.

Guess what? She is also looking for sex. That whole spiel is just to throw off the nice guys

Don't 100% pretend you are looking for a relationship like most nice guys and pretenders.

Go 75%. Say something like yeah I definitely hate people who just want sex. I'm looking for most like a bubble bath and spooning naked and getting to know each other. Do you like bubble baths?

She might throw you another sh1t test like " I do but only with my man or someone I'm gonna be in a relationship with."

This is when you throw her another 75% statement like " yeah I feel that. I'm definitely open for dating and a connection. Do you live by yourself?"

At that point she will know you are in the "game" and not a pretender because you are fishing for logistics.

She's going to tell you yes. And that's when you give her "plausible deniability." Aka an excuse to be alone that has nothing to do with sex. I usually just mention we should watch a movie but lately I've been good at cooking (women love that). And the whole premise is just me cooking for us.

And of course we hook up.

I don't know why but this is just how most women are nowadays. They want you to BS at least 75% of the way even thought they just want to be fvcked.

I guess there are so many desperate penises this is their way to vet for the more experienced penis.

My favorite women are ones that say they are only looking for serious. That's an easy code to crack for a veteran.

 

[Bible_Belt]

Personally ( my opinion) I feel like mass approaching is a waste if time.

I said the same thing when that idea was popular. The idea of a guy approaching lots of women is disgusting and repulsive to women. They don't want to feel like the next vagina that happened to walk by.

 

[Mike32ct]

I said the same thing when that idea was popular. The idea of a guy approaching lots of women is disgusting and repulsive to women. They don't want to feel like the next vagina that happened to walk by.

I supported it, but on a much smaller scale. Maybe two or three approaches in one night. “Over-sarging a venue” was never a good look.

 

[BaronOfHair]

what are some of the specific things that have changed. laws, culture, health, tech. what caused this?

Entire doctoral theses have been written on that subject, by lots of extremely bright people I.E. The exact opposite of me. Nonetheless, for the sake of conversation, I'll take a stab at it:

-In terms of culture, what Haslam et al have dubbed Concept Creep https://www.artofmanliness.com/character/behavior/dangers-of-concept-creep-podcast/ has reached epidemic proportions, and nowhere is this more glaring than in the increasingly elastic way we define "harm". Just speaking becomes impossible, when a large cross-sections of everyday folk are now convinced that f-c-ng WORDS are the equivalent of bullets and hydrogen bombs, as opposed to occasionally and momentarily displeasing

This goes right off The Richter Scale, when we start applying that same highly elastic definition of "harm" to events that happen in the bedroom, even between consenting adults: Run-of-the-mill faux paus are now being equated with the handiwork of Messrs Bundy and Bittaker. Ain't surprising then that public enthusiasm for physical intimacy is chillier than mid-December in Saskatchewan

-Insofar as health goes: Our fetishization of mental illness (This was noticeable all the way back in '17

)has made us all more disturbed and neurotic

-As has been noted elsewhere on this thread(and several others), the expansion of social media(tech)has made it easier to retreat into fantasy worlds on streaming, or/and spend most of one's energies theorizing about things, without taking much action

-Dunno that much FORMAL change has been made to the law over the past decade, so much as we've witnessed widespread cowardice in regards to pursuing the truth, no matter where it might lead. Thus, Weinstein and Cosby ended up convicted on the basis of accusations alone, when not even a scintilla of physical evidence exists to support those accusations

 

[CornbreadFed]

I said the same thing when that idea was popular. The idea of a guy approaching lots of women is disgusting and repulsive to women. They don't want to feel like the next vagina that happened to walk by.

If mass approaching worked then every guy would be doing it right now.

 

[Mike32ct]

Potential creepiness aside, the other problem with mass approaching is the PUA ends up forcing himself to approach some women that he’s not even interested in so that he gets his “numbers” up.

Even under the best of circumstances, this is confusing and awkward for the woman and not even fun for the guy either. It’s weird for both parties. A conversation is being forced between two people who have zero interest in talking with each other.

 

[characternote]

Potential creepiness aside, the other problem with mass approaching is the PUA ends up forcing himself to approach some women that he’s not even interested in so that he gets his “numbers” up.

Even under the best of circumstances, this is confusing and awkward for the woman and not even fun for the guy either. It’s weird for both parties. A conversation is being forced between two people who have zero interest in talking with each other.

ha, that's kind of true
I was guilty of this for a long time, to be quite honest
When I was getting laid a lot and was full on PUA, I was approaching like 40 girls on a night out. I was getting laid most weekends, but boy I had to eat a lot or rejections lol (no way around that! that's life unless you're chad!)

My wings would often talk about 'warm up sets' - point at random girls who weren't remotely my type and the idea was to 'use' them to 'get loose'. But as you say, from memory, they tended to kind of be confidence killers if anything lol. Painful interactions. I had absolutely zero interest in them (typically older women who didn't want to be approached or fat girls who often had an attitude etc) and I feel they could sense it. I told myself to stop doing warm up sets in the end and only approach girls who I really really wanted to bang!

 

[Mike32ct]

ha, that's kind of true
I was guilty of this for a long time, to be quite honest
When I was getting laid a lot and was full on PUA, I was approaching like 40 girls on a night out. I was getting laid most weekends, but boy I had to eat a lot or rejections lol (no way around that! that's life unless you're chad!)

My wings would often talk about 'warm up sets' - point at random girls who weren't remotely my type and the idea was to 'use' them to 'get loose'. But as you say, from memory, they tended to kind of be confidence killers if anything lol. Painful interactions. I had absolutely zero interest in them (typically older women who didn't want to be approached or fat girls who often had an attitude etc) and I feel they could sense it. I told myself to stop doing warm up sets in the end and only approach girls who I really really wanted to bang!

Precisely.

Yeah my buddy and I did the “money game” back in the day where you pay your wingman a certain amount of money and not get it back until you completed your approaches. So you are stuck approaching whoever is there whether you want to or not lol. I hated approaching somebody I didn’t want to talk to.

I did way better when I scaled down my approaches and only approached chicks I had a good feeling/intuition about and genuinely wanted to meet.

 

[SW15]

I supported it, but on a much smaller scale. Maybe two or three approaches in one night. “Over-sarging a venue” was never a good look.

The days of "over-sarging a venue" are in the past. Most venues now don't have much of an approach culture. There doesn't seem to be as much openness on the parts of women to fielding approaches. They don't have that much incentive to field approaches when they have hundreds of men in their smartphone via social media and dating apps who are trying to get first dates and/or sex from them. At any given point, a woman who is seeking new mating options has numerous conversations happening through her smartphone and its internet access.

If mass approaching worked then every guy would be doing it right now.

When I was getting laid a lot and was full on PUA, I was approaching like 40 girls on a night out. I was getting laid most weekends, but boy I had to eat a lot or rejections lol (no way around that! that's life unless you're chad!)

Most men who get into PUA and mass approaching have a poor experience with it.

Mass approaching leads to mass rejections, which can be quite traumatizing. Getting rejected feels bad. Very few men can deal with the large volumes of rejections that happen with mass approaching in-person. Of course, most men now are getting mass indirect rejections via technology. The not face-to-face, tech-based rejections hit differently than face-to-face, real life rejections.

Mass approachers in real life need to have thicker skin and not be sensitive to rejections.

 

[Divorced w 3]

The days of "over-sarging a venue" are in the past. Most venues now don't have much of an approach culture. There doesn't seem to be as much openness on the parts of women to fielding approaches. They don't have that much incentive to field approaches when they have hundreds of men in their smartphone via social media and dating apps who are trying to get first dates and/or sex from them. At any given point, a woman who is seeking new mating options has numerous conversations happening through her smartphone and its internet access.





Most men who get into PUA and mass approaching have a poor experience with it.

Mass approaching leads to mass rejections, which can be quite traumatizing. Getting rejected feels bad. Very few men can deal with the large volumes of rejections that happen with mass approaching in-person. Of course, most men now are getting mass indirect rejections via technology. The not face-to-face, tech-based rejections hit differently than face-to-face, real life rejections.

Mass approachers in real life need to have thicker skin and not be sensitive to rejections.

Due to OLD, real life approaching has become a novelty and as such, good approaching (mostly during nightlife although anywhere if done properly) stands out and can be effective