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I'm talking to an HB7.5 Asian on match right now back and forth. She's 40, has a grad degree and is in the medical field, has two kids and currently separated. Right now talking about favorite vacation spots. I'm worried I'm going to trip on my d*ck and say too much and get ditched or nothing after a first date again. Notice I get replies and women chat me up but then I text text and text and no second date or ghosted.

Any advice with Asians? VERY few within 100 miles of here. More rare than a golden unicorn.
Move to Asian town. Google is your friend.

 

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Well look at that map I posted sometime of floriduh. Pasco county all the way down to collier county minus Hillsborough county(county Tampa in which is really young) has pretty high average age especially Sarasota county down to Naples. Sarasota, charlotte and collier county has some of the oldest median ages in the state. Sarasota county and Charlotte tied for first. Southeast fl and Orlando a lot younger. Not fair.
 

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If you give all these badass dominant qualities to a guy who is at least at a 6/10 and put him into a social circle full of women, I guarantee you he will clean up.
He should be able to get some women, I don't know about clean up. I would think everyone on this forum would say that outcome independence is attractive. That alone isn't going to draw a bunch of women to him, it takes some other attractive traits to go along with it, some of which you talked about. Doesn't take a perfect storm, but at least some clouds gathered together to give some precipitation.

Being oblivious can be a double edged sword. I know for a fact I have missed out on several opportunities because I was oblivious. Women's signals often tend to be on the subtle side. I recall women telling me "I had a crush on you back then, but you never got the hint" lol.

Then of course there's the chicken and the egg. You talk of outcome dependence being attractive, but is it the cause of abundance or it is the result? I don't think I've ever met any guy who told me he had over 100 girls crushing on him in high school. Maybe if he was a high school quarterback, but that aside that is a crazy number IMO. It's going to be a lot easier to not care about girls if you're getting that kind of reaction. Which I guess is kind of the point, because PUAs copy naturals.
 

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He should be able to get some women, I don't know about clean up. I would think everyone on this forum would say that outcome independence is attractive. That alone isn't going to draw a bunch of women to him, it takes some other attractive traits to go along with it, some of which you talked about. Doesn't take a perfect storm, but at least some clouds gathered together to give some precipitation.

Being oblivious can be a double edged sword. I know for a fact I have missed out on several opportunities because I was oblivious. Women's signals often tend to be on the subtle side. I recall women telling me "I had a crush on you back then, but you never got the hint" lol.

Then of course there's the chicken and the egg. You talk of outcome dependence being attractive, but is it the cause of abundance or it is the result? I don't think I've ever met any guy who told me he had over 100 girls crushing on him in high school. Maybe if he was a high school quarterback, but that aside that is a crazy number IMO. It's going to be a lot easier to not care about girls if you're getting that kind of reaction. Which I guess is kind of the point, because PUAs copy naturals.
It’s actually more common than you think. I know guys who attract 80% of women they come in contact with.

When you spend your time in sosuave it’s easy to fall into the habit of thinking everything is harder now.

But there are guys out there who literally swim in infinite validation.

Everytime I go out I always run into a few of them. They are usually tall and buff, handsome in the face, and have 5-6 women hovering around them.

One time I was standing outside a club and I literally saw a group of probably 10 girls swarming around some buff blonde guy. The way they ran towards him, I thought he was a celebrity or something but he was just another normal Chad.

Don’t forget this forum is like 90% incels so the perspectives are kind of biased.

In real life I see handsome guys getting chased by obsessed women every weekend.

And this is out in the meat market where it is supposedly hard.

Attraction compounds exponentially. That’s why sometimes it feels like you can’t get none, and sometimes It feels like every girl is attracted to you.

So having 100 options is actually pretty normal for an attractive guy in a social environment like high school or college.

Also that’s the experimental age where girls don’t really vet, they just go for whatever is cute and popular.

It’s when they are in their mid 20s that they suddenly have “standards”.
 
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When you spend your time in sosuave it’s easy to fall into the habit of thinking everything is harder now.

But there are guys out there who literally swim in infinite validation.
I've never thought things were as hard as guys claim here.
Yes, there are guys who swim in validation. I'm saying they're not swimming in validation just because they learned to stop chasing. Well, maybe some guys - it depends on their SMV, how social they are, and what their sticking points are.

Attraction compounds exponentially.
Yeah, that's why some guys can change one little thing and get drastic results, and other guys can work for five years and barely get anything. The more boxes you check, the better off you are.
 

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I've never thought things were as hard as guys claim here.
Yes, there are guys who swim in validation. I'm saying they're not swimming in validation just because they learned to stop chasing. Well, maybe some guys - it depends on their SMV, how social they are, and what their sticking points are.


Yeah, that's why some guys can change one little thing and get drastic results, and other guys can work for five years and barely get anything. The more boxes you check, the better off you are.
I can’t speak for other guys, but for me, the difference between swimming in validation as supposed to not being able to get anything is having a balanced social life.

I would say neediness and it’s polar opposite abundance are two of those things that compounds exponentially.

When I don’t have a social life and my only outlet is the clubs, I can’t get anything.

But when I have a balanced social life, my vibe changes and suddenly I’m swimming in validation everywhere i go.

You asked earlier what came first, the chicken or the egg. For me, social circles with women in it came first. That’s why it’s preached all across this forum from guys who have similar abundance. They know they are not zen masters who can summon a super state out of thin air. I am humble enough to admit a huge part of my inner abundance comes from consciously constructing my social life.
 
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It’s actually more common than you think. I know guys who attract 80% of women they come in contact with.

But there are guys out there who literally swim in infinite validation.

Everytime I go out I always run into a few of them. They are usually tall and buff, handsome in the face, and have 5-6 women hovering around them.

One time I was standing outside a club and I literally saw a group of probably 10 girls swarming around some buff blonde guy. The way they ran towards him, I thought he was a celebrity or something but he was just another normal Chad.

So having 100 options is actually pretty normal for an attractive guy in a social environment like high school or college.

Also that’s the experimental age where girls don’t really vet, they just go for whatever is cute and popular.

It’s when they are in their mid 20s that they suddenly have “standards”.
Your stats are way off. They're corrected below. The error you make is that you assume 80% of women are attracted overall based upon an inordinate level of attention which actually amounts to a rather small percentage of women.

Take your "10 girls swarming" example. Sure, that's great. It's an example of "high interest." But do you suppose that there were only 12 or 13 girls in that club or bar? No, even in a medium sized venue, maybe 50 to 100 to 200 might pass through during prime time hours over the course of 1-3 hours.

10 girls showing interest out of 100 is 10% who show interest (IOI's, attraction, or whatever term you want to use), not 80%.

Let's post some stats. I'm pretty familiar with and have good success in the nightspots with the most attractive women. These are medium sized venues which get absolutely packed on weekend nights, with a solid selection of talent.

On a slow night, I might be approached by a couple of girls and maybe double digits will show clear interest. On a better night, upwards of a dozen or more will approach and maybe a couple dozen show clear interest. These numbers are astronomical compared to most guys, at the very least top 5%, probably more like top 1%. Probably a majority of guys will never be approached romantically by a woman in their lifetime, much less by multiple women in a single night.

Think about how many women pass through a prime spot on a weekend night even if it's a smaller venue. Easily 100. That means that only 25% at most show clear interest (strong not ambiguous IOI's or approach). This is for a guy who is top 1 to top 5% in generating attraction.

For guys lower in the hierarchy, but still in the top 20%, most will not get anything more than an occasional glance or smile in the overwhelming majority of situations.

I'm trying to think of a single friend or wingman who was ever approached by even a single attractive woman in her 20's. I can't even think of one, and this is over the course of over 12 years in the game. I'm not saying it's never happened, I'm simply saying I can't recall such a situation off the top of my head.
 
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Well look at that map I posted sometime of floriduh. Pasco county all the way down to collier county minus Hillsborough county(county Tampa in which is really young) has pretty high average age especially Sarasota county down to Naples. Sarasota, charlotte and collier county has some of the oldest median ages in the state. Sarasota county and Charlotte tied for first. Southeast fl and Orlando a lot younger. Not fair.
Life's not fair. Make changes or deal with it.

What about spending 90% od their time round bull dyke lesbians? That surely should be good for sex drive and erections.
Good way to go limp, no?
 

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how bad is it? I can't say... maybe its dependent on the person and/or location

I just arrived in Stockholm and have 3 matches in Tinder within 12hr from HB7+ (ages 23,34,41), I swiped about 50.
(and 4 new potential matches that I have not matched, yet)

Also spammed out to 4 ladies using WeChat nearby feature, got 3 responses.
 
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how bad is it? I can't say... maybe its dependent on the person and/or location

I just arrived in Stockholm and have 3 matches in Tinder within 12hr from HB7+ (ages 23,34,41), I swiped about 50.
(and 4 new potential matches that I have not matched, yet)
So maybe guys should quit working out, shave their heads and get some grey hairs lol.

A women who's 23 and has a guy hitting on them in their 50s will usually be repulsed unless he looked like super chad and really young and even then those 23 year olds are not into gold digging yet so you dont see them with old men often.
 

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23 year olds are not into gold digging yet so you dont see them with old men often.
they are however interested in sugar daddy, but I dont play that game...

not out because they are at the hotel or old guys house getting shagged
 

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they are however interested in sugar daddy, but I dont play that game...

not out because they are at the hotel or old guys house getting shagged
Gold digger, sugar daddy same thing basically. Going for the money.
 

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So maybe guys should quit working out, shave their heads and get some grey hairs lol.

A women who's 23 and has a guy hitting on them in their 50s will usually be repulsed unless he looked like super chad and really young and even then those 23 year olds are not into gold digging yet so you dont see them with old men often.
I already told you in another thread that the avg age of top porn superstars is 44. The thing with the young babes is they will gold dig or deal with you if you fit their scene. You may be the guy they fvck that nobody knows about
 

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I already told you in another thread that the avg age of top porn superstars is 44. The thing with the young babes is they will gold dig or deal with you if you fit their scene. You may be the guy they fvck that nobody knows about
So there really is no excuse... if you're not interested in getting married you should work on getting the four C's and be fvcking young chicks all the way up to like 45
 

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I already told you in another thread that the avg age of top porn superstars is 44. The thing with the young babes is they will gold dig or deal with you if you fit their scene. You may be the guy they fvck that nobody knows about
We are not talking about porn stars banging slvts though and mrwood does not look like a super chad porn star.
 

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the 20yo i was banging came to my place and would stay 3-4 days at a time every week...
She used my place to escape her scene, drama etc and would only tell her sister and mom where she was.
Mom was 40 something and a hot number herself, she seemed to be ok with me as she knew I was taking care of her girl and she was not on the streets etc.
You may be the guy they fvck that nobody knows about
 
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