"Blank Mind on Dates? She's Dropping Hints You Keep Missing"

The plates get cleared and the silence lands like a brick. You can feel her waiting. Your brain offers up your commute, your job, the weather — topics that have ended more second dates than bad breath.

Here's what most guys never learn: women hand out free conversational material all night long. Tiny clues about what they actually want to discuss. Catch them and you never run out of things to say — because she's telling you what to say next.

Rule 4 of the "22 Rules" trains your ear to catch every single one.

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Avsguy01

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It just really seems lately that newer and newer threads seem to coming out as this being more of a breeding and learning ground for players. What makes you AFC? If im correct i believe AFC stands for Another Frustrated Chump?

See my thing is i dont go out looking for girls to play them and try to get them in bed. I am a serious relations kind of person. Ive found a girl that i truely adore, and have been with her for almost a half of a year. Things are really a two-way street with us, and all the stupid ass games with most women and guys like you gaining knowledge from this site, dont exist at all with me.

Ive used quite a bit of knowledge from this site to lay a foundation. Thats it. I used it to attract my girlfriend to me and i keep in mind what things i must do to have this relationship continue to grow. The main thing is confidence. And that for sure is one thing i have going for me. So my question is why are some guys who can appreciate relationships, be a pure gentleman, and savor the positives that come from persuing a relationship be considered a wussy, looked at as weak, and commonly known as a frustrated chump? I certainly am not any of those, and definately not frusted. Are you?
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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If you are where you want to be, then that's great.

There is no need to drag others down, no need to convince those to stay, when they want to ride another 100 miles to get to their destination.

So then I ask you, what is the point of this thread?
 
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Originally posted by Eulogy
If you are where you want to be, then that's great.

There is no need to drag others down, no need to convince those to stay, when they want to ride another 100 miles to get to their destination.

So then I ask you, what is the point of this thread?
Took the words right out of my mouth.

Good for you if you've used the tips here to attract that girl, but there are lots of guys who A) haven't managed to do so yet, and B) don't have the same kinds of goals as you. Oh, and if you're confused as to acronyms, etc... read the DJ bible :D
 

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No you are not frustrated.

This site is originally for advice about dating girls and all. Then I guess you could say, it mainly attracted two types of guys. The ones that wanted to improve themselves on the whole, and the ones that just want improvement on their game.

Which ever anyone choses is fine by me. Whatever keeps them happy.

Appearantly, you are one of the ones that wanted a little advice on self-improvement. You found it, applied it and it worked for you. Why would you care about this board being for players. There are players and there are DJs (I prefer to call them good men actually). There always have been and there always will be. Don't worry about it.
 

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Sounds good to me! Don Juan applied, and successful! Ive met my goal :D
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Originally posted by squirrels
Now set a new one and keep going. :)
Very important indeed!
 

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I have got nothing against the "players" personally; it's just that a lot of them are very critical and hostile towards people on this board and zealous with their advice.

The player/PU/SS advice hasn't worked for me, so I have little faith in it. Besides, I'm really not convinced by any "technique" that has less than a 1 in 10 success rate.

But whatever works for you and suits your goals is the best route to take. Some people have money, looks, charisma and can use certain strategies more effectively than others. Some start as total AFCs and need to gradually climb their way up, conquer their fears and develop a confident mindset etc.
 

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If I were you I would watch my comments. That's great that you have someone who think is good enough to settle down with, but I'm willing to bet that within the next six months your girl will start to change and I'm also willing to bet that when this happens you will start to feel like an insecure AFC, and I am also willing to bet that you will wnd up coming back to this forum asking us "Players" for advice

Don't hate the player baby, hate the game
 

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Originally posted by Ice_Berg_1
If I were you I would watch my comments. That's great that you have someone who think is good enough to settle down with, but I'm willing to bet that within the next six months your girl will start to change and I'm also willing to bet that when this happens you will start to feel like an insecure AFC, and I am also willing to bet that you will wnd up coming back to this forum asking us "Players" for advice

Don't hate the player baby, hate the game
that's it right there, Avsguy. you came here to understand more about the game, and i guess you did. good for you. now that you've landed a chick, you're saying that we're all playing "stupid azz games".

for some odd reason, i get the feeling that you will be back here at some point, asking, "uh...what just happened here..."

don't hate the game, love the game.
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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Originally posted by Ice_Berg_1
If I were you I would watch my comments. That's great that you have someone who think is good enough to settle down with, but I'm willing to bet that within the next six months your girl will start to change and I'm also willing to bet that when this happens you will start to feel like an insecure AFC, and I am also willing to bet that you will wnd up coming back to this forum asking us "Players" for advice

Don't hate the player baby, hate the game

Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe AVSGUY is one of those that believes the "Game" has ended for them. They are through and have succeeded.
 

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The best game is no game.
 

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IMO this forum is not about being a player in a sense of: "go out, sleep with as many as you can and break their hearts, and play useless mind games"

What you see being a "player" what I see as being active, taking the chances and keeping your options open.

I too would like to find one girl to settle with. So far, this hasn't happened, so I keep approaching, meeting and seducing different girls, trying to pick the one I like...

So do many other guys in this forum IMO. Doesn't mean they are players.
 
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....then leave. There is NO reason why you should continue to come here. You have what you want. You seem happy...although in a short time that may or maynot change.

But if it does go bad be man enough to keep the same screen name when you start posting your tales of woe!!! aight.
 
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Sorry, but 75% of this board CANNOT EVEN APPROACH WOMEN.

There aren't EVEN enough players on this board.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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Hey i never said i was leaving the board! I can still require good information when it surfaces. Oh and i sure will be man enough to keep my screen name, if anything happens. We always are learning throughout life. May it be educationally, street side, or relations, i must admit this is my first true fulfilling relationship, as all others have just been blah, so im just going to take this as it comes and learn from it! Whatever, happens from here is going to be with the flow of things.
 

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Originally posted by JT47319
Sorry, but 75% of this board CANNOT EVEN APPROACH WOMEN.

There aren't EVEN enough players on this board.
Most posts I see here are about approaching, no?

EVERYGUY has approached at some time in his life. Some simply more than others, people are on this board reading and learning to try and improve. Sorry Mr SS, I guess its ONLY you who approaches? Man, the way you talk as if you are king of the board or something. You have good field reports, but amongst your coloured and blown up words, you have a LOT of criticism and indirectly tell everyone you are on a higher level.

As for the post, I am with Ice Cold. I date many woman looking for a keeper. Havent found one for the past year or so (since I broke up with my x) but Im sure Ill find one sooner or later.
 

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Originally posted by Avsguy01
So my question is why are some guys who can appreciate relationships, be a pure gentleman, and savor the positives that come from persuing a relationship be considered a wussy, looked at as weak, and commonly known as a frustrated chump?
Dude, I am much more of a "relationship guy" than a "player", and if anyone here thinks that I'm a "wussy", "weak", or an "AFC" they can lick my f*ckin' nuts.
 

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Re: Re: This forums seems to be for players only

Originally posted by Giovanni Casanova
Dude, I am much more of a "relationship guy" than a "player", and if anyone here thinks that I'm a "wussy", "weak", or an "AFC" they can lick my f*ckin' nuts.
Dude.. keep your disturbing fantasies to yourself!
 

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Re: Re: Re: This forums seems to be for players only

Originally posted by Don Ronny
Dude.. keep your disturbing fantasies to yourself!
My nuts won't lick themselves.
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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