You just try it and let us know.I'm better looking, richer and leaner than ever
why would it be different now?
Perhaps they don't reek insecurity and don't have a defeatist mindset?So these guys who are very average in every regard with quality women, what are they doing?
I don't want a 35 year old, much less a 40 year oldYou just try it and let us know.
Because they have game unlike you lolI see couples in public where the man is very mediocre in every way and the woman is attractive/high quality in most ways. How does this happen considering that you can't even get a date on a dating site nowadays unless you're a solid 8+/10, 6'0+, white (ethnic only ok if you look heavily European like mixed), etc... Real life approaching is about the same - you're not getting any kind of reasonable success rate unless you're the super elite. I'm very good to elite in most areas and even I'm not good enough.
So these guys who are very average in every regard with quality women, what are they doing?
1)are they just approaching a billion times and being okay with 1 yes for the billion rejections?
2)are they meeting these women through friends or work or school to where they can interact with them over and over? So why do these women settle for a 4/10 when they can get a 10/10 rich chad in 30 seconds going on match.com? Does the daily interaction make them fall for the avg male even despite her easily having a million times better options?
I'm very curious what you guys say about this?
you didn't answer the questionBecause they have game unlike you lol
who told you this?And when girls GLANCE AT YOU, and read that subconscious communication, they DISMISS YOU IMMEDIATELY.
There are the Chad type guys who can get by on their looks - women get enamored of them practically at first glance. But I think those types of guys are a very small minority. Most guys fall into a more average range. Contrast this with women. Take a section of women of a certain age - say 22 or so - and a high percentage of these girls are going to be very attractive to somebody.You, as a man, are a work of art, and it’s your job to reveal the intent (personality) behind the art. It is not for men to worry about appearance. That is for women. It is for men to reveal substance.
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Women don’t admire looks to the level we do. They admire strength, confidence, and powerful presence. These are qualities that they don’t inately possess, and can only feel vicariously through us, hence their value.
you answered your own question2)are they meeting these women through friends or work or school to where they can interact with them over and over? So why do these women settle for a 4/10 when they can get a 10/10 rich chad in 30 seconds going on match.com? Does the daily interaction make them fall for the avg male even despite her easily having a million times better options?
I'm very curious what you guys say about this?
Sad!bigdave17...Your going to die alone and unloved....
This "truth" will never ring true to many metrosexuals.When you make a woman feel what she likes to feel, she allows her mind to sculpt your looks into something Michaelangelo might carve out of stone.
My gf of 2.5 years (a “9” if 9 means natural beauty that requires no makeup, looks like she’s in her late 30s) addresses me as “My beautiful [Name]” every single day. I’m not all that handsome, but not ugly either. Maybe 6 or 7.
But she sees so much “beauty” (to her) in my personality, that she credits that to my looks.
Learn to make women FEEL, and your looks, in her eyes, become equivalent to the degree to which you make her feel.
Have you ever seen a painting or a work of art that at first glance you thought was kind of ugly, but then something made you realize the intent of the artist and you developed a very real appreciation for that piece?
You, as a man, are a work of art, and it’s your job to reveal the intent (personality) behind the art. It is not for men to worry about appearance. That is for women. It is for men to reveal substance.
The trick to making your appearance inconsequential is to make women sense your masculine presence. That is why you see beautiful women walking around with plain, dumpy men. Those men make her FEEL.
Take my word for it... women cannot date down for any length of time. Those plain men whom you see with a beauty on their arm have learned to deserve the admiration of such women. When a woman admires you, you’ve got her completely.
Women don’t admire looks to the level we do. They admire strength, confidence, and powerful presence. These are qualities that they don’t inately possess, and can only feel vicariously through us, hence their value.
We men need to shift our thinking away from assigning value to ourselves based on looks over to assigning value to ourselves based on attitude and personality.
Female perspective: agree that a guy doesn’t have to be a ‘chad’ to get decent women. He can’t be a total fat blob either though. Looks do matter to us in the sense that being completely out of shape with really bad skin and hair style is not going to attract many women.When you make a woman feel what she likes to feel, she allows her mind to sculpt your looks into something Michaelangelo might carve out of stone.
My gf of 2.5 years (a “9” if 9 means natural beauty that requires no makeup, looks like she’s in her late 30s) addresses me as “My beautiful [Name]” every single day. I’m not all that handsome, but not ugly either. Maybe 6 or 7.
But she sees so much “beauty” (to her) in my personality, that she credits that to my looks.
Learn to make women FEEL, and your looks, in her eyes, become equivalent to the degree to which you make her feel.
Have you ever seen a painting or a work of art that at first glance you thought was kind of ugly, but then something made you realize the intent of the artist and you developed a very real appreciation for that piece?
You, as a man, are a work of art, and it’s your job to reveal the intent (personality) behind the art. It is not for men to worry about appearance. That is for women. It is for men to reveal substance.
The trick to making your appearance inconsequential is to make women sense your masculine presence. That is why you see beautiful women walking around with plain, dumpy men. Those men make her FEEL.
Take my word for it... women cannot date down for any length of time. Those plain men whom you see with a beauty on their arm have learned to deserve the admiration of such women. When a woman admires you, you’ve got her completely.
Women don’t admire looks to the level we do. They admire strength, confidence, and powerful presence. These are qualities that they don’t inately possess, and can only feel vicariously through us, hence their value.
We men need to shift our thinking away from assigning value to ourselves based on looks over to assigning value to ourselves based on attitude and personality.
A really great post. You are spot-on.There are the Chad type guys who can get by on their looks - women get enamored of them practically at first glance. But I think those types of guys are a very small minority. Most guys fall into a more average range. Contrast this with women. Take a section of women of a certain age - say 22 or so - and a high percentage of these girls are going to be very attractive to somebody.
But I agree, for most guys it's more about personality. A guy should look his best (be in good shape, be clean and groomed, etc). But girls are more interested in who they are than in how they look. This goes along with hypergamy, they want the gifted artist, the famous celebrity, the talented musician, the guy who leads the weekend climbing group, the strong emotional rock they can rest on, etc.
Like you say, women don't value looks as much - because beauty of appearance comes so easily to them, it's common. As men, we are so wound up in women's beauty that we find it hard to see this from their point of view. It's another case where men and women are so opposite. When a woman is attractive, it's obvious, it's easy to see, it's ready to apparent. A man's substance, however, that is not so easily seen. This is another reason why women take longer to fall in love - they need time to find out what the guy is about. Whereas the guy can easily decide whether or not he likes what he sees.
I dunno if I believe this nonsense that women care more about personality than men doThere are the Chad type guys who can get by on their looks - women get enamored of them practically at first glance. But I think those types of guys are a very small minority. Most guys fall into a more average range. Contrast this with women. Take a section of women of a certain age - say 22 or so - and a high percentage of these girls are going to be very attractive to somebody.
But I agree, for most guys it's more about personality. A guy should look his best (be in good shape, be clean and groomed, etc). But girls are more interested in who they are than in how they look. This goes along with hypergamy, they want the gifted artist, the famous celebrity, the talented musician, the guy who leads the weekend climbing group, the strong emotional rock they can rest on, etc.
Like you say, women don't value looks as much - because beauty of appearance comes so easily to them, it's common. As men, we are so wound up in women's beauty that we find it hard to see this from their point of view. It's another case where men and women are so opposite. When a woman is attractive, it's obvious, it's easy to see, it's ready to apparent. A man's substance, however, that is not so easily seen. This is another reason why women take longer to fall in love - they need time to find out what the guy is about. Whereas the guy can easily decide whether or not he likes what he sees.
You're absolutely right. All that stuff does is sometimes get a foot in the door. But paradoxically, more often than not, this type of guy gets exposed for lack of depth and thrown out.This "truth" will never ring true to many metrosexuals.
They rather look beautiful by going to the gym sculpting their bodies, getting facials, hair transplants and a whole bunch of anesthetic enhancements.
I don't mean to offend, but in my long life I've observed that men who think this way are typically unsuccessful with women, and completely puzzled about how to attract them.I dunno if I believe this nonsense that women care more about personality than men do
You're absolutely right. All that stuff does is sometimes get a foot in the door. But paradoxically, more often than not, this type of guy gets exposed for lack of depth and thrown out.
These men have no idea that if you dress as if you have some some self-respect and take care of hygiene, that's all that's necessary to clear the "looks" hurdle with flying colors.
how is that different than women? like I said, you can't even get a date on a dating site or bar/club scene nowadays unless you're nearly perfect looking (and then personality/character come in to play)Of course personality is extremely important to men. But we are talking about initial attraction. It is not personality that attracts us at first. It is looks. And that is a twofold attraction. One is aesthetic attraction. The other is an estimation of her character based on her looks.
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Exactly. When a man dresses neatly (some might say, "smartly"), with a sense of style, the looks department is handled. That, plus obvious personal hygiene and keeping relatively fit, is the golden key to looking hotter than most other men. Looking "average" is not a problem at all when once keeps these things in mind.Female perspective: agree that a guy doesn’t have to be a ‘chad’ to get decent women. He can’t be a total fat blob either though. Looks do matter to us in the sense that being completely out of shape with really bad skin and hair style is not going to attract many women.
But an average looking guy who is in decent shape and makes her feel good is going to go farther that an average looking guy in decent shape who doesn’t make her feel good.
Also women typically don’t want to date men who groom more then them, and who fuss over their appearance more than them.
Dave seems to do those two things a lot. What he thinks women want is based on his logic, what he doesn’t seem to understand is that women don’t operate on his logic.