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The unspoken truth about seduction

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I've been saying this for years and hence I get pushback from the LMS acolyte
When you can sit with a woman and laugh, you guys have inside jokes, innuendo but more importantly, she doesn't feel judged and can open up jackpot

I've noticed a trend since covid that a lot of people tend to be more superficial Some people try to be deep by using "Therapy" talk or "Buzzwords" but being truly vulnerable, a lot of men and women are scared of that
This is stage 2 stuff. Stage 1 is appearance while stage 2 is personality, presence, charisma, etc. All these things matter. I don't know and am not going to say what exact breakdown of %'s are but both stages are important. This is why can have a nice appearance and still have trouble....if the guy is socially incompetent does not matter if he has aesthetics of David statue. "He was attractive until he opened his mouth".
 

What happens, IN HER MIND, is that she comes to see you as WORTHLESS simply because she hasn't had to INVEST anything in you in order to get you or to keep you.

You were an interesting diversion while she had nothing else to do. But now that someone a little more valuable has come along, someone who expects her to treat him very well, she'll have no problem at all dropping you or demoting you to lowly "friendship" status.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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Making oneself vulnerable can easily go awry: Just ask Makayla here https://nypost.com/2025/06/13/us-ne...acebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=nypost , next seance you attend

There's no shortage of scenarios in which one's kind heart can easily be torn from your chest, devoured, then sh-t out in under an hour. Both metaphorically and literally
Indeed but when I say vulnerable I'm not talking about you telling some thot you met off tinder your childhood trauma. However, having a conversation to something that you're passionate about that few people know can be vulnerable for example, I'm a huge crypto guy. It's literally changed my life for the better, most women are bored to tears by crypto so I keep it brief but once in a blue you meet one who truly understands the vibes. I remember one time I was talking about it and a girls eyes lit up, she was like "WOW I love how passionate you are about this" bad vibes is infectious so is Good vibes!

This is stage 2 stuff. Stage 1 is appearance while stage 2 is personality, presence, charisma, etc. All these things matter. I don't know and am not going to say what exact breakdown of %'s are but both stages are important. This is why can have a nice appearance and still have trouble....if the guy is socially incompetent does not matter if he has aesthetics of David statue. "He was attractive until he opened his mouth".
I would say personality, presence, and charisma, personality etc is LEVEL2 not stage 2. I've met broke average looking guys according to sosuave don't get laid, but due to this LEVEL2 they have pulled consistently. I've met a few successful people in my life. Ambitious people tend to have a ruthless personality but also know how to be charismatic, funny and witty. Have you ever had a conversation with a truly witty, intelligent person? it's a different level. I'm not talking about the awkward nerd who wants to let everyone he's smarter but a person who is just fun to hang around with but also wicked smart.

I use to have a buddy like this, He always pulled cuties and smokeshow's and at first I was like "He's very average looking how is he getting all these stunners?" then I hung out with him more and realized dude is KAMEHAMEHA of fun, funny and good vibes. Women like that. We talk about the Bad Boy taking women on roller coasters, emotionally but seldom about the good guys who can do it too
 

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Tough to NOT be bored, by hearing yet another bro hype that up as the most remarkable discovery this side of masturbation, despite the evidence https://www.fool.com/money/cryptocurrency/articles/what-tulips-and-bitcoin-have-in-common/ offering a far more lukewarm assessment
Meh I actually understand beyond the hype, and have studied the fundamentals not saying I'm FAR from an expert, but your article is outdated by almost 5 years I recommend reading this always good to be up to date with the info
 

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Meh I actually understand beyond the hype, and have studied the fundamentals not saying I'm FAR from an expert, but your article is outdated by almost 5 years I recommend reading this always good to be up to date with the info
And discussing crypto with some chick is no doubt preferable to ending up on the listening end of a conversation like the one described here
 

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This is stage 2 stuff. Stage 1 is appearance while stage 2 is personality, presence, charisma, etc. All these things matter. I don't know and am not going to say what exact breakdown of %'s are but both stages are important. This is why can have a nice appearance and still have trouble....if the guy is socially incompetent does not matter if he has aesthetics of David statue. "He was attractive until he opened his mouth".
This is more in line with what I was trying to say in an earlier post. Context matters here. If there’s no initial interest or desire from her side, she won’t feel the need to qualify herself to you. In that case, the “listening” dynamic won’t work. Sometimes, she may also not want to talk much for other reasons. And even if she does talk, but that base interest isn’t there, you’re just setting yourself up to become an emotional tampon or another girlfriend in the friend zone.

Alternatively, if you’re not actively doing something to build her interest and desire within the percentages mentioned, you’re not moving forward. Men are the visual creatures, but women’s weakness is language and words. If you can’t communicate, you won’t get far. In my country, we call it “sweetening her ear,” and women can tell who the real players are by the way a man talks to them.

Lastly, I’m not sure this really increases her emotional investment the way OP suggests. What actually builds investment is when she proves herself to you (driving you around in an emergency, going on a mission to get you food), doing things out of the social norm (kissing in front of your friends while they have no idea about the affair, sneaking out of a family event just to meet you, doing something taboo such as hooking up somewhere public where you might get caught), or even going through fights and making up. These are the moments that stick and actually build her emotional connection.
 

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This is more in line with what I was trying to say in an earlier post. Context matters here. If there’s no initial interest or desire from her side, she won’t feel the need to qualify herself to you. In that case, the “listening” dynamic won’t work. Sometimes, she may also not want to talk much for other reasons. And even if she does talk, but that base interest isn’t there, you’re just setting yourself up to become an emotional tampon or another girlfriend in the friend zone.

Alternatively, if you’re not actively doing something to build her interest and desire within the percentages mentioned, you’re not moving forward. Men are the visual creatures, but women’s weakness is language and words. If you can’t communicate, you won’t get far. In my country, we call it “sweetening her ear,” and women can tell who the real players are by the way a man talks to them.

Lastly, I’m not sure this really increases her emotional investment the way OP suggests. What actually builds investment is when she proves herself to you (driving you around in an emergency, going on a mission to get you food), doing things out of the social norm (kissing in front of your friends while they have no idea about the affair, sneaking out of a family event just to meet you, doing something taboo such as hooking up somewhere public where you might get caught), or even going through fights and making up. These are the moments that stick and actually build her emotional connection.
Yes, sounds right

You just have to observe how women behave when they go on holiday far away from their homes: they travel to these places with their girlfriends (or sometimes alone) and they party & have fun, hook up with guys that are there for the same reason. In many cases they won't ever see these guys again, is a one time thing. HOw could this happen? This happens because the men are both physically attractive & fun (to her). These guys know how to talk to and connect with these women, they come off as interesting. These are the kinds of guys if they met back home they'd date etc. What is the winning combination in these short term situations -----> it is physical attraction + personality/charm (let's just call it the man's social intelligence.)

From time to time you'll get these guys point out the rare exception of some adonis type that is a complete failure with girls. Yes, is possible to have great build and fail if freakishly ugly (say facial deformity from birth, or happens some time after like accident or tumor). Let's not kid ourselves the % of people who fit this category, as in very bad facial features (Truly ugly) is very small subset of population. Great majority of time, if guys are failing and they happen to look okay, is because they are socially incompetent and not making the most of the opportunities given. This is the truth and ties into what thread about: it goes for people in general, when you engage them ahve to show you are present and take an interest in the other person - this means listening, talking when your turn & ask questions etc.
 

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You need a strong presence and vibe (in addition to good listening and conversational skills) to get away with the 20% contribution rate.

Top guy can, bottom guy can't.



No…It was the biggest news before the OJ trial how attractive Urkel was when he transformed into Stephan UrKel
 

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I use to have a buddy like this, He always pulled cuties and smokeshow's and at first I was like "He's very average looking how is he getting all these stunners?" then I hung out with him more and realized dude is KAMEHAMEHA of fun, funny and good vibes. Women like that. We talk about the Bad Boy taking women on roller coasters, emotionally but seldom about the good guys who can do it too
Bingo. This is what im trying to communicate. This is also the secret of making friends in general. Its good vibes. Genuinely good vibes.

You add good sex to the equation and she will be hooked.

Good chill vibes is rarer than we think. Its not easy for women to find this.
 

What happens, IN HER MIND, is that she comes to see you as WORTHLESS simply because she hasn't had to INVEST anything in you in order to get you or to keep you.

You were an interesting diversion while she had nothing else to do. But now that someone a little more valuable has come along, someone who expects her to treat him very well, she'll have no problem at all dropping you or demoting you to lowly "friendship" status.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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Women connect via talking. This is why you can meet a fat short ugly dude who is good with women. I promise you that he is a good listner and is funny.

He creates positive vibes. Thats called charisma. Thats it. Thats the secret.
We all know these people who are able to draw people to them, and when you talk to them they make you feel like you're their best friend. I know people who have big flaws, but they have this gift. I feel like this is what you are talking about, in part at least. Now how you emulate it is the question. I suppose you give everyone your full attention and make them feel valued, and that you're interested in them.
 

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OP, you are spot on. As always the golden question, how to do that ?? Presence, clarity, empathy, are not things we can be talked into having by ourselves or others. You describe perfectly the thing that is needed, but for the man that does not have that how does he get it?

The woman needs to feel your mature, clear vibe.
 

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We all know these people who are able to draw people to them, and when you talk to them they make you feel like you're their best friend. I know people who have big flaws, but they have this gift. I feel like this is what you are talking about, in part at least. Now how you emulate it is the question. I suppose you give everyone your full attention and make them feel valued, and that you're interested in them.
Yes this is exactly what I am talking about. I have this gift. It is also a curse. I am genuinely interested in most people I talk to. I remember the most obscure details about them and regurgitate it to them years later. I am fascinated by people and the human condition.

At the end of the day people (esp women) just want to be heard. They want to matter to someone.

btw I believe Joe Rogan has this gift. This contributes to the success of his podcast.
 

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OP, you are spot on. As always the golden question, how to do that ?? Presence, clarity, empathy, are not things we can be talked into having by ourselves or others. You describe perfectly the thing that is needed, but for the man that does not have that how does he get it?

The woman needs to feel your mature, clear vibe.
This is a good question. You can not change who you are on a genetic level. You may not have that Joe Rogan level of being able to connect to strangers and that is ok. You can however improve.

The main way to improve is to stfu. Actually just listen more than you talk in a conversation. Most women's favorite topic is themself.

Read books on the art of conversation. Be genuine about your curiosity. These are the ways to improve your ability to connect.

Study how Joe Rogan interviews people. Or how a good late night host would interview people. Add a little humor and empathy to it. Also ask women " how did that make you feel". That is a krypotonite to a woman. They love talking about their feelings.
 
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