The unspoken truth about seduction

[Pandora]

The truth is that either you know how to connect with people or you dont. Its very simple. Make them feel listened to. That is the secret to a great seducer.

Most of you goofies are too self absorbed to ever stfu and let her talk. If you ask enough questions you will eventually get her panties off.

Women connect via talking. This is why you can meet a fat short ugly dude who is good with women. I promise you that he is a good listner and is funny.

He creates positive vibes. Thats called charisma. Thats it. Thats the secret.

Btw if you are super duper hot you dont have to do shyt. This does not apply.

 

[optinimus]

You're on to something. I've been reading Caleb Jones' blog lately and much of his date strategy is to let her do 80% of the talking and just let her blab. The more you talk, the higher chance of you saying something she doesn't like. I'm actively working on this

 

[forcerecon01]

You're on to something. I've been reading Caleb Jones' blog lately and much of his date strategy is to let her do 80% of the talking and just let her blab. The more you talk, the higher chance of you saying something she doesn't like. I'm actively working on this

Good advice

 

[Pandora]

You're on to something. I've been reading Caleb Jones' blog lately and much of his date strategy is to let her do 80% of the talking and just let her blab. The more you talk, the higher chance of you saying something she doesn't like. I'm actively working on this

Caleb Jones is awesome. She should be doing 80% of the talking. It makes her feel close to you. Works like a charm.

 

[Gamisch]

Part of the truth, but simultaneously too simplistic.

Women oftentimes created an image of the " perfect guy". Those are things and features we as men don't necessarily understand. That's why most men struggle. One guy has the fly crib the other has the mouthpiece yet both are dumbfounded why they don't get to walk hand in hand with an hb7,5+. Both are lonely but can't grasp WHY they are and the next chump ain't.

If I'm playing devils advocate I'd say that "being a good listener" might also end you in the dreaded friend zoned instead of between her legs....

Let's discuss

 

[SW15]

Caleb Jones' blog lately

Nick Krauser (one of the London Daygame PUAs) did a hit piece on Caleb Jones (aka Alpha Male 2.0/Blackdragon) in 2019.

BlackDragon is a pathetic delusional cuck

I promised myself that this year I would resist the temptation to play PUA Police. The world is so full of bull****ters and charlatans that exposing them is like a game of whack-a-mole. A wannabe s…

krauserpua.com

That was an interesting read.

I like some of Caleb Jones' ideas but others are far off. I think Krauser made some good points about him.

I have mixed feelings overall about Caleb Jones.

his date strategy is to let her do 80% of the talking and just let her blab. The more you talk, the higher chance of you saying something she doesn't like.

This is a generally good idea.

 

[Clockwerk50]

You're on to something. I've been reading Caleb Jones' blog lately and much of his date strategy is to let her do 80% of the talking and just let her blab. The more you talk, the higher chance of you saying something she doesn't like. I'm actively working on this

What exactly are you doing with the 20%?

I’d be careful with that. Letting her do most of the talking can work at first, but if you stay in that passive, overly attentive role too long, you start to look like you’re orbiting her, like you have no life or direction of your own. It feels flattering in the beginning, but eventually it comes off as weak and dependent. You become easy and comfortable to talk to, but not someone she’s drawn to.

At some point, the energy needs to flip...

 

[BillyPilgrim]

You need a strong presence and vibe (in addition to good listening and conversational skills) to get away with the 20% contribution rate.

Top guy can, bottom guy can't.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

Nick Krauser (one of the London Daygame PUAs) did a hit piece on Caleb Jones (aka Alpha Male 2.0/Blackdragon) in 2019.

BlackDragon is a pathetic delusional cuck

I promised myself that this year I would resist the temptation to play PUA Police. The world is so full of bull****ters and charlatans that exposing them is like a game of whack-a-mole. A wannabe s…

krauserpua.com

That was an interesting read.

I like some of Caleb Jones' ideas but others are far off. I think Krauser made some good points about him.

I have mixed feelings overall about Caleb Jones.



This is a generally good idea.

Tom Leykis was advocating the 20% rate long before Weirddragon (Caleb Jones) was.

 

[BadBoy89]

You need a strong presence and vibe (in addition to good listening and conversational skills) to get away with the 20% contribution rate.

Top guy can, bottom guy can't.

The bottom guy can do it.

His girlfriend was Myra Monkhouse. She was really hot and she wanted to have sex with him really bad but he wanted to wait. That is Alpha.

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[Redwood]

The bottom guy can do it.

His girlfriend was Myra Monkhouse. She was really hot and she wanted to have sex with him really bad but he wanted to wait. That is Alpha.

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Bottom guy can also turn into his alter ego, Stefan Urquelle.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

Ya was using Urkel (bottom pic) as an example, obviously the real life actor playing the character isn't like that.

Top guy might also be homo (or at least bi), but that's also not relevant to the discussion. The point stands.

 

[optinimus]

What exactly are you doing with the 20%?

I’d be careful with that. Letting her do most of the talking can work at first, but if you stay in that passive, overly attentive role too long, you start to look like you’re orbiting her, like you have no life or direction of your own. It feels flattering in the beginning, but eventually it comes off as weak and dependent. You become easy and comfortable to talk to, but not someone she’s drawn to.

At some point, the energy needs to flip...

Good point. It is important indeed what you do with the 20%. Part of it is steering the convo towards sexual topics. So on a first date, you start with fluff talk for a while, adding in jokes and emotional spikes. Then you ask her about past relationships/how is her dating life going in X city. Then ask why she broke up with the last guy; "was the sex bad?". Later you can talk about more sexual topics. That's also what Caleb advocates. I'm pretty new to this particular strategy but it mimicks what I've done with success in the past.

As you said, if you just listen to her like a nice guy beta male and let her talk about anything and everything without any leadership, that is not good. We've gotta lead the convo into the right topics.

 

[optinimus]

Nick Krauser (one of the London Daygame PUAs) did a hit piece on Caleb Jones (aka Alpha Male 2.0/Blackdragon) in 2019.

BlackDragon is a pathetic delusional cuck

I promised myself that this year I would resist the temptation to play PUA Police. The world is so full of bull****ters and charlatans that exposing them is like a game of whack-a-mole. A wannabe s…

krauserpua.com

That was an interesting read.

I like some of Caleb Jones' ideas but others are far off. I think Krauser made some good points about him.

I have mixed feelings overall about Caleb Jones.



This is a generally good idea.

I just read Krauser's article on Caleb Jones, and yeah, that hit piece fails to criticise his advice and just attacks the man instead.

In the last few years I've been consuming way too much depressing red pill content on YouTube which makes you absolutely miserable. It is all doom and gloom and leads to victim mindset.

Caleb said "Red pill is a door you walk through, not a house you live in", which is good ****ing advice. Caleb's blog was what started to get me off the red pill toxic mindset, and get back on the "I can do this" mindset. I don't think his advice is perfect, but it is still pretty damn good. His model of having multiple FBs and MLTRS is very interesting and my current goal is to have a couple of FBs and an MLTR, to try out that model.

He also talks about how the Western world is collapsing, and how important it is to get a location independent income so you can live where you choose to live. That also resonates with me big time, since I live in collapsing Scandinavia where the ethnic people are getting replaced by foreign people from third world countries (like every other Western nation is). Combine that with high inflation, high (and increasing) taxes, and this is not looking good. It's depressing AF to think about, but there is nothing to do except protect yourself by going international.

 

[BaronOfHair]

You're on to something. I've been reading Caleb Jones' blog lately and much of his date strategy is to let her do 80% of the talking and just let her blab

This is wise to do in life more generally

 

[BillyPilgrim]

Then ask why she broke up with the last guy; "was the sex bad?"

Stealing this move. Also a great frame buster and counter-move for when they try the "so how long was your longest relationship?" bs

 

[Pandora]

Good point. It is important indeed what you do with the 20%. Part of it is steering the convo towards sexual topics. So on a first date, you start with fluff talk for a while, adding in jokes and emotional spikes. Then you ask her about past relationships/how is her dating life going in X city. Then ask why she broke up with the last guy; "was the sex bad?". Later you can talk about more sexual topics. That's also what Caleb advocates. I'm pretty new to this particular strategy but it mimicks what I've done with success in the past.

As you said, if you just listen to her like a nice guy beta male and let her talk about anything and everything without any leadership, that is not good. We've gotta lead the convo into the right topics.

Exactly. You need to steer the conversation towards topics like romance and soulmates, astrology etc.

 

[Pandora]

Like an old pimp actually told me " you gotta fuk her mind before you fuk her body".

Having deep convos while making her laugh will do the most for your seduction skills.

Dont even worry about the friendzone unless you are a total geek.

 

[Solomon]

I've been saying this for years and hence I get pushback from the LMS acolyte
When you can sit with a woman and laugh, you guys have inside jokes, innuendo but more importantly, she doesn't feel judged and can open up jackpot

I've noticed a trend since covid that a lot of people tend to be more superficial Some people try to be deep by using "Therapy" talk or "Buzzwords" but being truly vulnerable, a lot of men and women are scared of that

 

[BaronOfHair]

....but being truly vulnerable, a lot of men and women are scared of that

Making oneself vulnerable can easily go awry: Just ask Makayla here https://nypost.com/2025/06/13/us-ne...acebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=nypost , next seance you attend

There's no shortage of scenarios in which one's kind heart can easily be torn from your chest, devoured, then sh-t out in under an hour. Both metaphorically and literally