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Excellent post. Seen this one a lot of times on many different sites, I think it was this very one that 'enlightened' me.
I do think that the OP is in a very limited location (a nightclub in some ultra superficial place like LA, NY, London, or somewhere) because the situation isn't quite as dire here, but what he says still holds true.
Perhaps he might be exaggerating a little bit, to create some controversy because any publicity is good publicity. The more the post is/was talked about, the more chance men would read it and take it in. It worked for me.
I do think that the OP is in a very limited location (a nightclub in some ultra superficial place like LA, NY, London, or somewhere) because the situation isn't quite as dire here, but what he says still holds true.
Perhaps he might be exaggerating a little bit, to create some controversy because any publicity is good publicity. The more the post is/was talked about, the more chance men would read it and take it in. It worked for me.
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That seems pretty shallow to me.
All right, so the guy is getting laid, A LOT. Ok. Good for him.
But am I the only sensing the he's still not getting ALL that he wants? I mean, hell, ****ing with girl's mind in order to have sex is not something that hard, really. Get drunk in a bar, approach girls and at some point you're gonna get 1 that's going to want you. Not that ****ing hard.
I know that woman are all the same on some aspects, they do lie and persuade themselves that they did the right thing. And I also think it's the man JOB to call their bull**** when they do.
Have you ever seen any old couple together? The woman would say something emotion-related and the first thing the man would do would be to say "oh shut-up woman".
Let me tell you what the problem is right now. Man have LEARNED to AVOID dealing with woman and STILL get the *****. That's it. I could trigger my brain not to care about woman and just focus on getting laid. I sure did before and it worked as a charm. You don't care, you get sex and then you leave.
But as some point I realized this wasn't what I wanted. I got tired of ****ing around and not getting what I really wanted ...a real connection with a woman. You might say it's not possible, I do believe it is. It's as hard as anything, you might spend years of your life trying to get to 1 girl the really likes you and you around.
If a woman sense you're a player (and she will), she will still **** you if you got your game right BUT forget about getting something real out of her, she already thinks you're only sex material, she knows you got nothing real going inside you because you made the choice to remove this part inside so you could only focus about getting sex.
That's what I think
I'm sure that guy feels lonely even when he counts the number of girls he ****ed, ain't gonna give you any real satisfaction. Plus lying in order to create a false attraction based on woman's behavior is pretty lame.
All right, so the guy is getting laid, A LOT. Ok. Good for him.
But am I the only sensing the he's still not getting ALL that he wants? I mean, hell, ****ing with girl's mind in order to have sex is not something that hard, really. Get drunk in a bar, approach girls and at some point you're gonna get 1 that's going to want you. Not that ****ing hard.
I know that woman are all the same on some aspects, they do lie and persuade themselves that they did the right thing. And I also think it's the man JOB to call their bull**** when they do.
Have you ever seen any old couple together? The woman would say something emotion-related and the first thing the man would do would be to say "oh shut-up woman".
Let me tell you what the problem is right now. Man have LEARNED to AVOID dealing with woman and STILL get the *****. That's it. I could trigger my brain not to care about woman and just focus on getting laid. I sure did before and it worked as a charm. You don't care, you get sex and then you leave.
But as some point I realized this wasn't what I wanted. I got tired of ****ing around and not getting what I really wanted ...a real connection with a woman. You might say it's not possible, I do believe it is. It's as hard as anything, you might spend years of your life trying to get to 1 girl the really likes you and you around.
If a woman sense you're a player (and she will), she will still **** you if you got your game right BUT forget about getting something real out of her, she already thinks you're only sex material, she knows you got nothing real going inside you because you made the choice to remove this part inside so you could only focus about getting sex.
That's what I think
I'm sure that guy feels lonely even when he counts the number of girls he ****ed, ain't gonna give you any real satisfaction. Plus lying in order to create a false attraction based on woman's behavior is pretty lame.
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Perhaps "wanting something more from women" is the manifest of lack of fulfillment in other areas of life. But then again, even rock stars seem to end up with LTRs even though they get plenty of ass and live the dream aswell. So what causes men to seek LTRs? The innate urge to be some girl's protector, which in the case of AFCs is easily triggered due to low esteem and in the DJs case is met by few candidates?Splendidostring said:
Well he's still quite young (I'd imagine early thirties at most) so has plenty of time to go before he is too old and wrinkly to still be pulling the young pretty girls. His priorities with women might change once he's forty, and for all we know he might have already spent a lot of time in serious relationships.Splendidostring said:
Holy Fk this is goldlibrito said:* Don't get angry at her. Women know they have emotional outbursts and they need to trust that you can handle that. It's ok (and necessary) to occasionally put your foot down...just make sure she knows you are fully in control of yourself.
* Don't let her manipulate you or control you in any way. She will immediately lose all respect for you. Always be leading. It's just like dancing - women hate a man who can't lead.
* When first approaching a woman or a group, they tend to get a feeling like this is just your little scheme to get close to them, when you really just want something from them - like sex. (And they're right.) It's important to structure your body language and conversation so that they honestly don't believe you want something from them. They should feel like you are about to leave at any second.
* DON'T TRY TO IMPRESS HER IN ANY WAY. Don't show off. Don't talk about accomplishments or possessions. As soon as she perceives that you are trying to prove yourself to her, she loses all interest.
* Don't ignore her friends. A woman values her friend's opinions more than just about anything else in the world. Nothing matters to her more than what other women are thinking. Give her friends lots of attention and get everyone laughing. If one woman is feeling different than the others, she will drag them away. They will follow like a flock of pigeons. Society is the book of women. (Notice that men do NOT behave this way! Women are very different!)
* To get a woman attracted / emotionally vulnerable, give her lots of emotions and feelings. Don't just make her feel good. Make her feel good, and angry, and sad, and connected, and astonished, and intrigued, etc. Make her laugh. Tease her. Tell stories about your sick puppy. Tell her why things would never work out between the two of you. Call her a dork. If she gets heated up, she will start touching you...playfully push her away. If she calls you a jerk and punches your arm, you are doing it right. If she gives you that "I can't believe you just said that" look, do NOT back down, do not say "Oh I'm just kidding" or anything like that.
* As she gets more emotional, she will try to ruin things by throwing in logic. She will ask you if you are a player, or if you say this to all the girls, or whatever. The trick is this: Don't take it seriously by giving it some logical answer! That's right...women lose interest if you take them seriously!!! It's crazy but that's how they behave. Just blow it off or misinterpret what she's saying as though she is coming on to you. If you fail these tests, she will be gone so fast your head will spin.
* She will start asking you lots of questions. This is what chicks do when they suddenly find themselves attracted to a man they know nothing about. This is your chance to open up a little and also find out more about her and build a deeper connection. You have to do this, or she will flake later (even if you've kissed her!) Women are the worst flakes in the world! Don't make it too easy for her, make her work for it a bit. Then talk about connections and childhood memories and things you have in common, etc. She needs to feel that this is genuine. This is usually the time when I throw in a few fake vulnerabilities, like pretending I'm shy or insecure about something. I know it's ****ed up but women need to see that there are at least a few small holes where they can sink their hooks in you. They get uneasy if you are too perfect.
* Make sure she gets the feeling that you have standards and that you are judging her based on them. Ask her questions that show her you are checking her out to see if she is up to snuff. Women don't like to feel like you are with them only because you can't do any better. They prefer to feel like you have high standards; you can get any chick you want, but you chose HER because she is SOOOO special and SOOOO different from all the others. Yeah, I know.
* Move her to different locations. Take her next door for a drink. Take her across the street to check out some art. The more locations the better.
* Take responsibility for every escalation. A woman will do just about anything as long as she doesn't have to feel like it was "her fault." Make it YOUR fault. Make it "just happen." She will rationalize it to herself later using the same bull**** generator that women use to flake out on dates at the last minute. Don't get her horny until you get her isolated. Believe me, emotional is better than horny.
* Keep the woman always swinging somewhere between validation and rejection. If she feels rejected, she drops out or gets REALLY MAD. And if she feels too validated, she will ditch you in a heartbeat. So push her away (emotionally) and then pull her back in.
* BELIEVE YOUR OWN BULL****. Chicks do not look at your excuses and try to see if they are bull**** or not... because that is the logical thing to do, and chicks are not logical. Rather, what they do is see if YOU seem to believe your own bull**** when you say it. If you look like you do, then chances are, they will believe it too. So the key is to believe your own bull****, and other aspects about yourself that you want the chick to believe about you too (alpha male..whatever)... because your own self beliefs for some reason will automatically 'impart' to the chick!
* One more thing...many guys make the mistake of listening to female romantic advice. Don't listen to them, THEY DON'T KNOW WTF THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT, and they WILL steer you wrong. They will tell you what they THINK they want, instead of what they actually RESPOND to. And furthermore, a large part of the female sexual experience IS the inability to admit these things BECAUSE they derive sexual pleasure from putting up resistance and being overwhelmed.
If you do things this way, after a few months practice you WILL get laid like a rock star. The guys who get laid are the ones who know what they are doing, because they have practiced on lots of women. Ironically, women are most attracted to the men who are most likely to **** them and then dump them on their ass - because those are precisely the men who have so many other options because they practice on lots of women. That's why you always hear women *****ing about how men are *******s that only want to **** them and dump them - because those are the men that they gravitate to.
Women tend to wise up when they get towards their 30s, and they start looking for a nice wimpy beta male to settle down with and pay for all their ****. As they get older, they will get more and more desperate to find this guy. Once they do, they will cheat on him with an exciting fun guy like me. (But who wants to **** some old chick in her 30's? That's what beta males are for! Heh)
Hey, don't blame me - I didn't make things the way they are. I was just a guy who wanted to get laid. And I do
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Women’s ability to multitask or men’s inability to do so may be a major contributor to road accidents. The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration is working to determine the safety risks of multitasking on the road. The organization estimates that 44 percent of drivers in the United States have cellular phones, 7 percent have e-mail access and 3 percent have fax capabilities within their cars. It also estimates that 25 percent of the 6.3 million crashes which occur each year are a result of using one of these distractions while driving.
librito said:* Don't get angry at her. Women know they have emotional outbursts and they need to trust that you can handle that. It's ok (and necessary) to occasionally put your foot down...just make sure she knows you are fully in control of yourself.
* Don't let her manipulate you or control you in any way. She will immediately lose all respect for you. Always be leading. It's just like dancing - women hate a man who can't lead.
* When first approaching a woman or a group, they tend to get a feeling like this is just your little scheme to get close to them, when you really just want something from them - like sex. (And they're right.) It's important to structure your body language and conversation so that they honestly don't believe you want something from them. They should feel like you are about to leave at any second.
* DON'T TRY TO IMPRESS HER IN ANY WAY. Don't show off. Don't talk about accomplishments or possessions. As soon as she perceives that you are trying to prove yourself to her, she loses all interest.
* Don't ignore her friends. A woman values her friend's opinions more than just about anything else in the world. Nothing matters to her more than what other women are thinking. Give her friends lots of attention and get everyone laughing. If one woman is feeling different than the others, she will drag them away. They will follow like a flock of pigeons. Society is the book of women. (Notice that men do NOT behave this way! Women are very different!)
* To get a woman attracted / emotionally vulnerable, give her lots of emotions and feelings. Don't just make her feel good. Make her feel good, and angry, and sad, and connected, and astonished, and intrigued, etc. Make her laugh. Tease her. Tell stories about your sick puppy. Tell her why things would never work out between the two of you. Call her a dork. If she gets heated up, she will start touching you...playfully push her away. If she calls you a jerk and punches your arm, you are doing it right. If she gives you that "I can't believe you just said that" look, do NOT back down, do not say "Oh I'm just kidding" or anything like that.
* As she gets more emotional, she will try to ruin things by throwing in logic. She will ask you if you are a player, or if you say this to all the girls, or whatever. The trick is this: Don't take it seriously by giving it some logical answer! That's right...women lose interest if you take them seriously!!! It's crazy but that's how they behave. Just blow it off or misinterpret what she's saying as though she is coming on to you. If you fail these tests, she will be gone so fast your head will spin.
* She will start asking you lots of questions. This is what chicks do when they suddenly find themselves attracted to a man they know nothing about. This is your chance to open up a little and also find out more about her and build a deeper connection. You have to do this, or she will flake later (even if you've kissed her!) Women are the worst flakes in the world! Don't make it too easy for her, make her work for it a bit. Then talk about connections and childhood memories and things you have in common, etc. She needs to feel that this is genuine. This is usually the time when I throw in a few fake vulnerabilities, like pretending I'm shy or insecure about something. I know it's ****ed up but women need to see that there are at least a few small holes where they can sink their hooks in you. They get uneasy if you are too perfect.
* Make sure she gets the feeling that you have standards and that you are judging her based on them. Ask her questions that show her you are checking her out to see if she is up to snuff. Women don't like to feel like you are with them only because you can't do any better. They prefer to feel like you have high standards; you can get any chick you want, but you chose HER because she is SOOOO special and SOOOO different from all the others. Yeah, I know.
* Move her to different locations. Take her next door for a drink. Take her across the street to check out some art. The more locations the better.
* Take responsibility for every escalation. A woman will do just about anything as long as she doesn't have to feel like it was "her fault." Make it YOUR fault. Make it "just happen." She will rationalize it to herself later using the same bull**** generator that women use to flake out on dates at the last minute. Don't get her horny until you get her isolated. Believe me, emotional is better than horny.
* Keep the woman always swinging somewhere between validation and rejection. If she feels rejected, she drops out or gets REALLY MAD. And if she feels too validated, she will ditch you in a heartbeat. So push her away (emotionally) and then pull her back in.
* BELIEVE YOUR OWN BULL****. Chicks do not look at your excuses and try to see if they are bull**** or not... because that is the logical thing to do, and chicks are not logical. Rather, what they do is see if YOU seem to believe your own bull**** when you say it. If you look like you do, then chances are, they will believe it too. So the key is to believe your own bull****, and other aspects about yourself that you want the chick to believe about you too (alpha male..whatever)... because your own self beliefs for some reason will automatically 'impart' to the chick!
* One more thing...many guys make the mistake of listening to female romantic advice. Don't listen to them, THEY DON'T KNOW WTF THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT, and they WILL steer you wrong. They will tell you what they THINK they want, instead of what they actually RESPOND to. And furthermore, a large part of the female sexual experience IS the inability to admit these things BECAUSE they derive sexual pleasure from putting up resistance and being overwhelmed.
If you do things this way, after a few months practice you WILL get laid like a rock star. The guys who get laid are the ones who know what they are doing, because they have practiced on lots of women. Ironically, women are most attracted to the men who are most likely to **** them and then dump them on their ass - because those are precisely the men who have so many other options because they practice on lots of women. That's why you always hear women *****ing about how men are *******s that only want to **** them and dump them - because those are the men that they gravitate to.
Women tend to wise up when they get towards their 30s, and they start looking for a nice wimpy beta male to settle down with and pay for all their ****. As they get older, they will get more and more desperate to find this guy. Once they do, they will cheat on him with an exciting fun guy like me. (But who wants to **** some old chick in her 30's? That's what beta males are for! Heh)
Hey, don't blame me - I didn't make things the way they are. I was just a guy who wanted to get laid. And I do
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There are some good tips in here in terms of things to remember if you are socially retarded with people.
However, most of this post stinks of BS. The fact that this post is so amazing and fantastic sounding is clue enough that it's largely fake.
I wasn't born yesterday and trust me, I've known enough people and seen enough in my life to know when someone is yanking your chain.
It's become a mini-fad now to post lifestyle advice on the internet to unsuspecting people to boost one's own ego and create a digital following.
200+ women? Picking some them up in the grocery store??
Women that are hot enough and worthy enough don't even pay attention to most men in any retail setting whatsoever.
Largely, HOLLYWOOD started this idea. It doesn't have anything to do with real human emotions or desires based in reality.
This reminds me of Bill Paxton's character in True Lies. He's wooing Jamie Lee Curtis with his wild stories and tales of danger. Meanwhile, her husband(Arnold) lives this secret wild life behind her back in the CIA.
Turns out Paxton's character is some loser who acts like an overgrown kid when Arnold and his partner get ahold of him and drag him out to a dark field one night. He cries like a girl and pisses his pants when they threaten him. Admits he's a fake, yadda yadda, etc.
Unknown has never probably slept with half as many women as he claims and has definately never pulled one in the amount of time he says. Anybody who has to post this much BS on the internet is compensating for something.
But I understand it FEELS good to believe your own crap.
The switch
What the author doesn't know ist that women have a switch. They **** around like crazy with any man that looks interesting in a way, but then suddenly, and this happens somewhere between the mid and late twenties, they pull the switch. when they feel the time has come to procreate they will chose one man in their reach which seems to be the most appropriate candidate for that plan. This is not a Don Juan, it is most of the time an AFC, someone they can rely on. And once they pulled the switch they will stop ****ing around. All that ****ing around they did when they were young had a deeper sense: they were trying out men in order to find a good one for procreation. Older women cheat less. I've observed that bahaviour on some female friends of mine... only weeks before they knew they were pregnant they were ****ing around like crazy. but once they got into their mother role they suddenly became domesticated house wifes. The tide turns after a certain age. When you look at my parents generation (60+) the men are the cheaters. in this generation it is totally comman that a man has a wife and an affair. it is hard for a woman to find a somewhat respectable man in that age. If a man has some income and social status the women will be after him, even if he is married. Absolute AFCs may turn into womanizers in that age, provided they have a respectable position. no seduction needed any more, as women act very logical and turn to the men who can provide them financial security...
What the author doesn't know ist that women have a switch. They **** around like crazy with any man that looks interesting in a way, but then suddenly, and this happens somewhere between the mid and late twenties, they pull the switch. when they feel the time has come to procreate they will chose one man in their reach which seems to be the most appropriate candidate for that plan. This is not a Don Juan, it is most of the time an AFC, someone they can rely on. And once they pulled the switch they will stop ****ing around. All that ****ing around they did when they were young had a deeper sense: they were trying out men in order to find a good one for procreation. Older women cheat less. I've observed that bahaviour on some female friends of mine... only weeks before they knew they were pregnant they were ****ing around like crazy. but once they got into their mother role they suddenly became domesticated house wifes. The tide turns after a certain age. When you look at my parents generation (60+) the men are the cheaters. in this generation it is totally comman that a man has a wife and an affair. it is hard for a woman to find a somewhat respectable man in that age. If a man has some income and social status the women will be after him, even if he is married. Absolute AFCs may turn into womanizers in that age, provided they have a respectable position. no seduction needed any more, as women act very logical and turn to the men who can provide them financial security...
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pure gold. Definitely one of the best reads that strikes from every angle.
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Not many people find this, but cool. Happy hunting.anon. said:
Uh-oh. My left eye is twitching.
That's one way of putting it.
A lot of women say the opposite. Let's see where you're going with this.
You define success as getting into a woman's pants. How old are you? 200 is a lot of work. That's just shy of one woman a month over the course of 20 years. Starting to sound like bullcrap.
Define pickup.
Means nothing. Happens often.
Sounds like BS.
We do also. I haven't yet. If I said I'd never thought about it, I would be lying. Doesn't make it right, but everyone has their threshold. Some of ours are higher than others.
These forums are Cosmo for men. We're the same.
Not so sure about that. Most guys who get a late start do not become "sexual gods" who can have sex with anybody, although that sort of mindset might help you experience success with a good number of receptive women.
We've experienced related realizations and similar reactions... when I was an AFC, I expected everyone else to be one, especially women. I expected everyone to share my insecurities and guilt, and most men and women with a religious upbringing similar to mine had them; but some people got over them faster than others. We all want sex. We all get horny. We all feel temptation and it's sick that I even allude to our desires as temptation. Unfortunately, that word was drilled into my head at an age when I was probably too young to appreciate what I meant. We are all driven to have sex. It's natural. Abstinence and marriage are institutions that many struggle to abide by. Monogamy could possibly be added to the list. We each have different outlets for dealing with the discrepancy between biology and society.
If you do, then you'll be smart about it. You'll appreciate the pitfalls and look out for yourself.
You won't and you won't ever have to, unless you prefer women who want you for your money. The good news is that you have freed yourself from the AFC curse! That's a positive thing!
You really, really don't have high regard for the women you have sex with, do you?
SOME? You took women down from the pedestal and put us up there in their places.
And much more if she wants it. It's the way we've structured society. It's too bad we've created a dynamic of sexual shame where women have to "sneak around" to have fun and men feel they need to declare their heartfelt, monogamous intentions as part of a rusty, courtship ritual that starts after three or four drinks at the bar. Women find this patronizing and often times intimidating. That is why a woman is quick to shame an AFC that is hitting on her if she thinks it will protect her from having to ward off subsequent advances. Men who could otherwise be having sex blow their chances when their approach is in the least bit formal... i.e. they say and do the same thing as the previous ten guys that have approached the same lady. The people who abandon antiquated tradition in favor of being upfront and sexual have sex more frequently than AFCs and their uptight, female equivalents.
100% agreement.
Yes. Most men complain that women have passed them up for jerks, while most women complain about the jerk that cheated on them with their best friend... jerk really means "sexually desirable man."
Women also complain about the bitter, clueless AFC attention they endure.
True. Just realize that you are like those women you slept with. You enjoy sex. On some level, you would prefer monogamy, but you don't trust any particular member of the other sex. You won't know when you can trust somebody because sex is not a big deal to you - so what other sign of commitment can she demonstrate? What else can they offer you? You have not mentioned companionship, children, or anything else but sex. That is sort of your universe. You doubt that a potential partner would stop having sex with other men for the sake of your relationship because of their track record of infidelity (or at least abundant experience with a variety of men). But they question your fidelity for the very same reasons.
You exaggerate your conquests (unless you're a prostitute or rock musician) and frame women horribly, but men by and large have controlled society and it is society (particularly religion) that inflicts us with the sexual shame and self-doubt that perpetrates the breakdown in communication between the sexes, our ambivalence in defining commitment, and the sexual frustrations that plague an overwhelming majority of men and women in and out of relationships.
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The recent rash of books and movies about mean girls may seem to indicate a new phenomenon, but Longfellow observed about a certain little girl almost 200 years ago, "when she was good, she was very good indeed/but when she was bad, she was horrid." The 500 women gender studies scholar Barash interviewed for this exhaustively researched book on female competition confirms that women can indeed be mean. Barash outlines why women compete with each other differently than men do with other men and why women often want to sabotage powerful female rivals. Male competition is goal-oriented and limited, Barash says, while women compete over appearance, children, the workplace and relationships. Why? According to Barash, for women, competition is about identity and relationships, and they have a harder time setting boundaries to competition. Barash devotes chapters to specific areas of competition, from looks to career, and then presents real-life examples of situations in which resentment and jealousy can be used to improve one's life without destroying anyone else's. Overall, this study provides a helpful starting place for any woman wondering if it's possible to get what she wants without hurting or being hurt.
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The Station
Perhaps you´ve read he fascinating essay "The Station" in which the author describes all of us being on a mythical train of life, rolling towards the future. We believe that someday we will get to the Station, when all the pieces will fit together. When we arrive at the Station, there´ll be a big crowd cheering, flags will be waving, bands will be playing, and that´s when all our goals will be achieved and all our desires will be fulfilled.
Perhaps you´ve read he fascinating essay "The Station" in which the author describes all of us being on a mythical train of life, rolling towards the future. We believe that someday we will get to the Station, when all the pieces will fit together. When we arrive at the Station, there´ll be a big crowd cheering, flags will be waving, bands will be playing, and that´s when all our goals will be achieved and all our desires will be fulfilled.
Life is a constant battle, it never ends (as long as you´re alive or you give up on it).
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This is 10x Diamond!
This should be in the Bible and the Archive!
This should be in the Bible and the Archive!
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The things this guy said in 2003 are confirmed in this article from february 2010, which is a really profound fair article worth reading.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/new-dating-game
http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/new-dating-game
After reading this I just find it depressing. I KNOW its true because it makes so much sense and would explain perfectly alot of the behaviors of women. I honestly would be happy with one nice girl that loved me, but I guess that is not likely to last. The divorce rates and the epidemic of cheating have skyrocketed and a monogamous relationship has become an ancient thing of the past and can no longer be counted on.
