"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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the truth about getting women

The Spider

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Heres the truth: You eithier got it or you dont. If you arent getting a lot of women by age 17 or 18, its never gonna get better, no matter what. Its a sad thing but its the truth trust me.
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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The Spider said:
Heres the truth: You eithier got it or you dont. If you arent getting a lot of women by age 17 or 18, its never gonna get better, no matter what. Its a sad thing but its the truth trust me.
well I don't really believe the idea that if you aren't good with women by 17-18 you won't improve. But usually there is something about guys that don't get women that will always keep them at the bottom.
 

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Scion said:
well I don't really believe the idea that if you aren't good with women by 17-18 you won't improve. But usually there is something about guys that don't get women that will always keep them at the bottom.
You know, theres a lot of truth to that, maybe im saying a little young. no question though if not by 22 then there really is no hope and thats a stone cold fact.
 

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Up until the age of 19 I never had any female friends, held hands with a girls, and, needless to say, was virgin. I'm 26 years old now. Over the past 7 years I've had several one-night stands and a few girlfriends. So one really can make a comeback after a dismal start. You're future life successes aren't predicated upon earlier life failures.
 

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And it's precisely this kind of defeatist attitude that is preventing a lot of guys from having success with women. Hell, it's preventing guys from having success in a lot of areas in their lives. If you've already concluded that you can't succeed, you won't.

Do you honestly believe that it's impossible to learn new things and to change the person you are after the age of 17-18 or 22? If you do, I feel very sorry for you because you must have a very pessimistic outlook on life.

I was absolutely pathetic with the ladies. Until I was 22, I didn't even have female friends. The only female friends I hung out with were my friends' girlfriends. It was a rare thing for me to have a conversation with a girl and it was a big deal.

I turned 25 recently, and no I'm not fvcking like a rock star. But I do regularly get pvssy these days. I'm still not where I want to be...not by a long shot. But I am WAY WAY better than where I was before.

And there were times when I felt hopeless. I looked around and a lot of guys having success with the ladies. I thought "what the fvck is wrong with me!?" I have made every single AFC mistake. I suffered through a bout of severe oneitis.

But all these things made me stronger and made me a better person. Nothing in life that is worthwhile comes without struggle. I agree that if you're 22, and you suck with women, it's not going to be easy to improve yourself. But it can happen if you put in the effort.
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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If you think about people who are highly skilled in a certain area, like music or athletics, they tend to start at a young age. Like Tiger Woods and golf, for instance. When you're younger your whole body and mind is built to develop, so getting an early start is a huge advantage. So I can see a point to the OP's post.

But I don't agree that it can't get any better, especially if you draw the line at 18. A lot of guys don't hit their prime until later (remember girls mature earlier). And you can always improve at something, even if you don't reach rock star levels. But yeah, I imagine getting an early start is a big advantage.
 

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This just isn't true. There are countless testimonials of men who will talk about how they never had any success with women until they were older. If any young men are on this site, don't buy this crap. As a general rule men start out have poor skills with women and improve as they get older provided they have experience with different women.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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This is just a stupid claim. I was virgin until I was 18, almost 19, and now I am 21, soon to be 22, and I have been a couple of dozen girls, and the past 4 months has been like half of them.

So no, what the thread starter says is not true.
 

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Why do morons who have no fvcking clue what they're talking about start advice threads or threads like "the truth about ____"?

Go crawl back in your cave, 'tard.
 

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Thread Fail.
 

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Please don't feed the troll.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Please delete this thread, newbies will actually come to this forum, read this bullsh!t, and believe it.
 

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The Spider said:
Heres the truth: You eithier got it or you dont. If you arent getting a lot of women by age 17 or 18, its never gonna get better, no matter what. Its a sad thing but its the truth trust me.
False!

things can change for the better or for worse...

you can make changes or you can get lucky and have thing change around you
 

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zekko said:
If you think about people who are highly skilled in a certain area, like music or athletics, they tend to start at a young age. Like Tiger Woods and golf, for instance. When you're younger your whole body and mind is built to develop, so getting an early start is a huge advantage. So I can see a point to the OP's post.

But I don't agree that it can't get any better, especially if you draw the line at 18. A lot of guys don't hit their prime until later (remember girls mature earlier). And you can always improve at something, even if you don't reach rock star levels. But yeah, I imagine getting an early start is a big advantage.
Agreed. If you want to be the best in the world at something, you probably should start out at an early age. If you pick up the violin at the age of 22, you're not going to be as good as someone who's been playing since the age of 4.

But you don't have to phenomenal to be successful with women. In fact just a few improvements can dramatically improve your success with the ladies.
 

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Lets not forget that this is for Americans only. 95% of you are and will forever be stuck in America! So, yes it is over for you after 19. Unless you want single mothers and 30 plus year old women. America is the land of homosexuals and 35 year old women who pretend they are still sexy! The rest of us got up and left. Keep the party going guys!
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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