"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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the truth about getting women

The Spider

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Heres the truth: You eithier got it or you dont. If you arent getting a lot of women by age 17 or 18, its never gonna get better, no matter what. Its a sad thing but its the truth trust me.
 

“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”

You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.

I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.

Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.

These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.

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The Spider said:
Heres the truth: You eithier got it or you dont. If you arent getting a lot of women by age 17 or 18, its never gonna get better, no matter what. Its a sad thing but its the truth trust me.
well I don't really believe the idea that if you aren't good with women by 17-18 you won't improve. But usually there is something about guys that don't get women that will always keep them at the bottom.
 

The Spider

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Scion said:
well I don't really believe the idea that if you aren't good with women by 17-18 you won't improve. But usually there is something about guys that don't get women that will always keep them at the bottom.
You know, theres a lot of truth to that, maybe im saying a little young. no question though if not by 22 then there really is no hope and thats a stone cold fact.
 

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Up until the age of 19 I never had any female friends, held hands with a girls, and, needless to say, was virgin. I'm 26 years old now. Over the past 7 years I've had several one-night stands and a few girlfriends. So one really can make a comeback after a dismal start. You're future life successes aren't predicated upon earlier life failures.
 

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And it's precisely this kind of defeatist attitude that is preventing a lot of guys from having success with women. Hell, it's preventing guys from having success in a lot of areas in their lives. If you've already concluded that you can't succeed, you won't.

Do you honestly believe that it's impossible to learn new things and to change the person you are after the age of 17-18 or 22? If you do, I feel very sorry for you because you must have a very pessimistic outlook on life.

I was absolutely pathetic with the ladies. Until I was 22, I didn't even have female friends. The only female friends I hung out with were my friends' girlfriends. It was a rare thing for me to have a conversation with a girl and it was a big deal.

I turned 25 recently, and no I'm not fvcking like a rock star. But I do regularly get pvssy these days. I'm still not where I want to be...not by a long shot. But I am WAY WAY better than where I was before.

And there were times when I felt hopeless. I looked around and a lot of guys having success with the ladies. I thought "what the fvck is wrong with me!?" I have made every single AFC mistake. I suffered through a bout of severe oneitis.

But all these things made me stronger and made me a better person. Nothing in life that is worthwhile comes without struggle. I agree that if you're 22, and you suck with women, it's not going to be easy to improve yourself. But it can happen if you put in the effort.
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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If you think about people who are highly skilled in a certain area, like music or athletics, they tend to start at a young age. Like Tiger Woods and golf, for instance. When you're younger your whole body and mind is built to develop, so getting an early start is a huge advantage. So I can see a point to the OP's post.

But I don't agree that it can't get any better, especially if you draw the line at 18. A lot of guys don't hit their prime until later (remember girls mature earlier). And you can always improve at something, even if you don't reach rock star levels. But yeah, I imagine getting an early start is a big advantage.
 

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This just isn't true. There are countless testimonials of men who will talk about how they never had any success with women until they were older. If any young men are on this site, don't buy this crap. As a general rule men start out have poor skills with women and improve as they get older provided they have experience with different women.
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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This is just a stupid claim. I was virgin until I was 18, almost 19, and now I am 21, soon to be 22, and I have been a couple of dozen girls, and the past 4 months has been like half of them.

So no, what the thread starter says is not true.
 

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Why do morons who have no fvcking clue what they're talking about start advice threads or threads like "the truth about ____"?

Go crawl back in your cave, 'tard.
 

teacha

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Thread Fail.
 

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Please don't feed the troll.
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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Please delete this thread, newbies will actually come to this forum, read this bullsh!t, and believe it.
 

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The Spider said:
Heres the truth: You eithier got it or you dont. If you arent getting a lot of women by age 17 or 18, its never gonna get better, no matter what. Its a sad thing but its the truth trust me.
False!

things can change for the better or for worse...

you can make changes or you can get lucky and have thing change around you
 

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zekko said:
If you think about people who are highly skilled in a certain area, like music or athletics, they tend to start at a young age. Like Tiger Woods and golf, for instance. When you're younger your whole body and mind is built to develop, so getting an early start is a huge advantage. So I can see a point to the OP's post.

But I don't agree that it can't get any better, especially if you draw the line at 18. A lot of guys don't hit their prime until later (remember girls mature earlier). And you can always improve at something, even if you don't reach rock star levels. But yeah, I imagine getting an early start is a big advantage.
Agreed. If you want to be the best in the world at something, you probably should start out at an early age. If you pick up the violin at the age of 22, you're not going to be as good as someone who's been playing since the age of 4.

But you don't have to phenomenal to be successful with women. In fact just a few improvements can dramatically improve your success with the ladies.
 

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Lets not forget that this is for Americans only. 95% of you are and will forever be stuck in America! So, yes it is over for you after 19. Unless you want single mothers and 30 plus year old women. America is the land of homosexuals and 35 year old women who pretend they are still sexy! The rest of us got up and left. Keep the party going guys!
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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