"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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The Still Unanswered question: C+F vs Charm

onthepath

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hi guys
i wanted to hear your experiences in adopting these two different schools of thought
i've been having some great success with C+F and a don't give a **** attitude - but i'm attracting the wrong girls for me
i attract the more confident (nice quality) but more arrogant and b!tchy girls

so i wanted to try going the other way. i've heard, but never witnessed of charming men, who although use flattery, dont wind up being a kiss ass, and still end up with the cool chicks, and especilly the more LTR chicks

i got this ebook How to Win Friends and Influence People and i've listened to the first chapter or so, and it's talking about prtty much being pleasant, and less critical of others - it's some pretty inspiring stuff i might add

anyway, can you guys shed some light on the subject
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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check_mate_kid_uk

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C&F is part of charm, thats like saying what is better a car or a set of car wheels.
 

Qmanchoo

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Here is way I look at it.

Wit is very charming to women.

C&F, _in part_, is a concept that helps you project a witty side to your personality. However, all the C&F things you say are somehow related to busting chops.

Is it healthy to always want to be subtley insulted by someone? Depends. Some women have a different emotional responses to it than others, however I've noticed that C&F attractes more of the "bad girls" thand "Good girls".

You can be witty, and as a result very charming, without busting balls.

Problem is that a lot of people aren't exactly witty. Or if they are it's not on call...only when they "are on a roll" so to speak.

That's where the concept of C&F helps you out.

As an extremely smart...off-the-wall-witty...and successful friend pointed out to me a long time ago "Busting balls got some women attracted to me, but wit worked on everyone and then I had my pick"
 

McKindley

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I'm never ****y with girls. I just can't pull it off (and trust me, I've tried). But I'm always funny. So I'll be charming and funny, but not ****y. You can project plenty of confidence without being ****y. ****y always seemed like fake confidence to me (but hey, it might not be with you. That's just the way it feels to me when I'm doing it).

As long as you're funny and charming and not self depricating you're doing fine.

Part of the reason I don't like the ****y thing is, I hate it when I just met a girl and she starts trying to bust my balls. I'm just thinking, "hey, I don't know you. quit trying to bust on me."

But hey, if it works for you, use it. It just doesn't work for me.
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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