"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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The "Shaming" thread

STR8UP

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The glass ceiling
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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STR8UP said:
The glass ceiling
That's a biggie women use to shame men into promoting incompetent women.

Jealous and controlling are a couple other ones women use when a man puts expectations on female behavior.
 

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I just happen to have an email from a 22 year old still in my inbox when i was screwing around with the online stuff.


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mrRuckus's email said:
I'm really sketched out by the dirty-old-man thing. I was walking through downtown the other day, going to meet my friend for lunch, and a bunch of 50 or 60 year old men were blatantly checking me out. I just sort of think they're pathetic, and I feel bad for their wives. Buying a car as a midlife crisis I can understand, but hitting on women my age is just gross



It's not a huge difference, but at the same time she was trying to get me a 28 year old to go out with her 22 yo self.


Earlier in the same email. (she's referring to me questioning her about wanting to be able to wear heels around a guy and how she can view men as a fashion accessory)



Ouch, fashion accessory? Definitely not. Sarcasm missed? I've dated guys my height or shorter, even, but Match asked what I was looking for. I'm attracted to guys that are taller than me - is that so bad? I see it as the same thing as saying I don't want really overweight or really skinny guys - if the right guy were to come along and was short and fat, then great. But that's not generally where I'm looking. Shall you chat with every female linebacker just in case she's got a fantastic personality?
How is wanting prettier, younger women (is that so bad? :) ) any different than her list of physical demands?
 

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All shaming really is is a misdirection of accountability. Creating insecurity in someone else is the quickest way to alleviate their criticism.
 

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Colossus said:
All shaming really is is a misdirection of accountability. Creating insecurity in someone else is the quickest way to alleviate their criticism.
Indeed it is..great observation... How surpised are we to discover that "shaming " of men by women is merely another tactic to dodge accountability on their part.

Ducks quack in a variety of ways I guess.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Immature.

Anything a man does that takes his attention off women gets him labelled as "immature".
 

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Knight's Cross said:
Good thread STR8UP!

My all time favorite was the BPD whack job's line,"All guys leave me". Now if that wasn't the all time most ridiculous shaming line I'd ever heard.... Believe me fella's if you hear that one,"RUN". Don't walk, RUN! She's TELLING you that she's had drama/ failed relationships, etc. Trying to pull the Save a Ho scheme on you.

KC
Don't know why, but something about "save a ho" just really made my day. Good stuff.
 

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Colossus said:
All shaming really is is a misdirection of accountability. Creating insecurity in someone else is the quickest way to alleviate their criticism.
Very insightful. I'd give you more rep if the system would allow me to.
 

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If you guys don't mind, I'd like to collect these and slap them on my blog. They're just too good to be limited to our little corner of the web.
 

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taiyuu_otoko said:
Just out of curiosity, what is your general reaction when you hear one of these attempts at shaming?

Personally I look at them as opportunities to increase my non-reactiveteness.

And, generally, my favorite response to most of these is from "When I say No I feel Guilty" by Smith.

"Hmm. Maybe you're right."
Women are totally intolerant of any form of criticism of their behavior. IT challenges their lifelong investment in their ego's need to to be perfect, flawless and faultless in all ways.They rarely live lives of self propulsion, striving and improvement, they just fudge the surface layer.
Perception IS reality to women.

When i occasionally have the need to correct a woman who is out of line. I notice that I often receive a trumped up "counter attack" as if I "made her do it" , or she dredges up some petty shyte from the past as a decoy.
As Collosus said ,this is a defense and a misdirection of accountability.

So, when she fakes up one of these switches I say," Perhaps you are right, Now lets get back to what I was saying."

Mostly works.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Nutz said:
Here's a great example of what we're talking about. Just look at some of the vilification of older men dating younger women:

http://www.enotalone.com/forum/showthread.php?t=261094

This is why I say females' behavior is dependent on enviroment. Think about it, women naturally are attracted to or at least don't have a problem with older men, and older men are naturally attracted to younger women. Yet society shames the older man/younger woman relationships, so that women and men will go against their own nature and date in certain age ranges. If the media ran a publicity campain extolling how great older men are, there'd be a bunch more of younger women going with older men.
 

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jophil28 said:
Women are totally intolerant of any form of criticism of their behavior. IT challenges their lifelong investment in their ego's need to to be perfect, flawless and faultless in all ways.They rarely live lives of self propulsion, striving and improvement, they just fudge the surface layer.
Perception IS reality to women.

When i occasionally have the need to correct a woman who is out of line. I notice that I often receive a trumped up "counter attack" as if I "made her do it" , or she dredges up some petty shyte from the past as a decoy.
As Collosus said ,this is a defense and a misdirection of accountability.

So, when she fakes up one of these switches I say," Perhaps you are right, Now lets get back to what I was saying."

Mostly works.
Agreed. Women HATE to be held to standards, to have to answer to someone, and most of all to be held accountable.

The only thing I don't agree with is how one should handle a woman who is "out of line". I say words are futile...withdraw your attention to get your point across.

ketostix said:
This is why I say females' behavior is dependent on enviroment. Think about it, women naturally are attracted to or at least don't have a problem with older men, and older men are naturally attracted to younger women. Yet society shames the older man/younger woman relationships, so that women and men will go against their own nature and date in certain age ranges. If the media ran a publicity campain extolling how great older men are, there'd be a bunch more of younger women going with older men.
It's not society that is promoting this, it is OLDER WOMEN who stand to lose from a man's natural preference for youth and a younger woman's natural preference (or at least acceptance of) older men.

And actually, the media DOES promote older men/younger women relationships. Just look at most movies that come out today. It is almost always a younger woman with an older man, because despite what the old biddies b!tch and complain about, it is natural for a fair amount of age disparity.

Edit- Incidentally, I am getting ready to head out tonight with a couple of friends of mine to meet up with a group of sorority chicks my buddies recently met.

Don't let anyone tell you that younger women don't like older men.
 

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Knight's Cross said:
Good thread STR8UP!

My all time favorite was the BPD whack job's line,"All guys leave me". Now if that wasn't the all time most ridiculous shaming line I'd ever heard.... Believe me fella's if you hear that one,"RUN". Don't walk, RUN! She's TELLING you that she's had drama/ failed relationships, etc. Trying to pull the Save a Ho scheme on you.

KC
Good to know!!!
 

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Nutz said:
Here's a great example of what we're talking about. Just look at some of the vilification of older men dating younger women:

http://www.enotalone.com/forum/showthread.php?t=261094
If you carefully read that article - you will see girls initially attacking that young girl for dating an older guy.

But as you read on, you find those shaming attacks soften and even go away!

Why?

Pook was so spot on. There is ONE thing that can defeat shaming tactics - and that is LOVE. Girls cannot attack love, that is their source of power to manipulate men.

The girl stated that he treated her right and hinted that they were in love. Well, what else could those attacking women say?

So next time a girl shames you for say liking younger girls, tell them: 'I feel like I would relate to younger girls better, I love younger girls.'
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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we loan money to women "friends" for one reason and one reason only. I hope you "discovered" the reason already and have learned from it. :)
 

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I get this all the time from other women older and younger regarding my relationship with someone younger:

"What do you have in common?"
"What could you possibly even talk about?"
"Does she ask you for money?"

That last one p!sses me off.
 

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With all due respect guys, what is the point of focusing on all the ways that women shame men? I'm not sure what's going on with the sosuave board, but what happened to all the DJ stuff focused on becoming an awesome guy who will naturally attract great women (yes they exist).

I tend to believe that whatever you focus on you'll just get more of; the whole law of attracting thing. And consequently, I've not really even considered that there are women who shame me or would could shame me. I just don't give off that vibe.

Cesare Cardinali
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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