You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.
Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.
Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.
The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.
That's a biggie women use to shame men into promoting incompetent women.STR8UP said:The glass ceiling
mrRuckus's email said:I'm really sketched out by the dirty-old-man thing. I was walking through downtown the other day, going to meet my friend for lunch, and a bunch of 50 or 60 year old men were blatantly checking me out. I just sort of think they're pathetic, and I feel bad for their wives. Buying a car as a midlife crisis I can understand, but hitting on women my age is just gross
How is wanting prettier, younger women (is that so bad?Ouch, fashion accessory? Definitely not. Sarcasm missed? I've dated guys my height or shorter, even, but Match asked what I was looking for. I'm attracted to guys that are taller than me - is that so bad? I see it as the same thing as saying I don't want really overweight or really skinny guys - if the right guy were to come along and was short and fat, then great. But that's not generally where I'm looking. Shall you chat with every female linebacker just in case she's got a fantastic personality?
Indeed it is..great observation... How surpised are we to discover that "shaming " of men by women is merely another tactic to dodge accountability on their part.Colossus said:All shaming really is is a misdirection of accountability. Creating insecurity in someone else is the quickest way to alleviate their criticism.
Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.
Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?
You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.
Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.
Don't know why, but something about "save a ho" just really made my day. Good stuff.Knight's Cross said:Good thread STR8UP!
My all time favorite was the BPD whack job's line,"All guys leave me". Now if that wasn't the all time most ridiculous shaming line I'd ever heard.... Believe me fella's if you hear that one,"RUN". Don't walk, RUN! She's TELLING you that she's had drama/ failed relationships, etc. Trying to pull the Save a Ho scheme on you.
KC
Very insightful. I'd give you more rep if the system would allow me to.Colossus said:All shaming really is is a misdirection of accountability. Creating insecurity in someone else is the quickest way to alleviate their criticism.
Women are totally intolerant of any form of criticism of their behavior. IT challenges their lifelong investment in their ego's need to to be perfect, flawless and faultless in all ways.They rarely live lives of self propulsion, striving and improvement, they just fudge the surface layer.taiyuu_otoko said:Just out of curiosity, what is your general reaction when you hear one of these attempts at shaming?
Personally I look at them as opportunities to increase my non-reactiveteness.
And, generally, my favorite response to most of these is from "When I say No I feel Guilty" by Smith.
"Hmm. Maybe you're right."
Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.
Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers. Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.
I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.
Nutz said:Here's a great example of what we're talking about. Just look at some of the vilification of older men dating younger women:
http://www.enotalone.com/forum/showthread.php?t=261094
Agreed. Women HATE to be held to standards, to have to answer to someone, and most of all to be held accountable.jophil28 said:Women are totally intolerant of any form of criticism of their behavior. IT challenges their lifelong investment in their ego's need to to be perfect, flawless and faultless in all ways.They rarely live lives of self propulsion, striving and improvement, they just fudge the surface layer.
Perception IS reality to women.
When i occasionally have the need to correct a woman who is out of line. I notice that I often receive a trumped up "counter attack" as if I "made her do it" , or she dredges up some petty shyte from the past as a decoy.
As Collosus said ,this is a defense and a misdirection of accountability.
So, when she fakes up one of these switches I say," Perhaps you are right, Now lets get back to what I was saying."
Mostly works.
It's not society that is promoting this, it is OLDER WOMEN who stand to lose from a man's natural preference for youth and a younger woman's natural preference (or at least acceptance of) older men.ketostix said:This is why I say females' behavior is dependent on enviroment. Think about it, women naturally are attracted to or at least don't have a problem with older men, and older men are naturally attracted to younger women. Yet society shames the older man/younger woman relationships, so that women and men will go against their own nature and date in certain age ranges. If the media ran a publicity campain extolling how great older men are, there'd be a bunch more of younger women going with older men.
Good to know!!!Knight's Cross said:Good thread STR8UP!
My all time favorite was the BPD whack job's line,"All guys leave me". Now if that wasn't the all time most ridiculous shaming line I'd ever heard.... Believe me fella's if you hear that one,"RUN". Don't walk, RUN! She's TELLING you that she's had drama/ failed relationships, etc. Trying to pull the Save a Ho scheme on you.
KC
If you carefully read that article - you will see girls initially attacking that young girl for dating an older guy.Nutz said:Here's a great example of what we're talking about. Just look at some of the vilification of older men dating younger women:
http://www.enotalone.com/forum/showthread.php?t=261094
Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.
Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers. Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.
I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.
penkitten said:
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Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.
Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers. Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.
I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.