She says the movie looks dumb; you suddenly agree. She tests you with a little attitude; you apologize for nothing.
You think you're being easy to get along with. She reads something else entirely: a man with no edges. Nothing to hold on to. No friction, no tension, no reason to wonder what he really thinks.
The "22 Rules" taught me to push back — playfully, calmly, without needing her approval. Strange things happened after that.
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
That's a biggie women use to shame men into promoting incompetent women.STR8UP said:The glass ceiling
mrRuckus's email said:I'm really sketched out by the dirty-old-man thing. I was walking through downtown the other day, going to meet my friend for lunch, and a bunch of 50 or 60 year old men were blatantly checking me out. I just sort of think they're pathetic, and I feel bad for their wives. Buying a car as a midlife crisis I can understand, but hitting on women my age is just gross
How is wanting prettier, younger women (is that so bad?Ouch, fashion accessory? Definitely not. Sarcasm missed? I've dated guys my height or shorter, even, but Match asked what I was looking for. I'm attracted to guys that are taller than me - is that so bad? I see it as the same thing as saying I don't want really overweight or really skinny guys - if the right guy were to come along and was short and fat, then great. But that's not generally where I'm looking. Shall you chat with every female linebacker just in case she's got a fantastic personality?
Indeed it is..great observation... How surpised are we to discover that "shaming " of men by women is merely another tactic to dodge accountability on their part.Colossus said:All shaming really is is a misdirection of accountability. Creating insecurity in someone else is the quickest way to alleviate their criticism.
Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.
She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.
Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.
So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.
The words come later. The impression comes first.
Don't know why, but something about "save a ho" just really made my day. Good stuff.Knight's Cross said:Good thread STR8UP!
My all time favorite was the BPD whack job's line,"All guys leave me". Now if that wasn't the all time most ridiculous shaming line I'd ever heard.... Believe me fella's if you hear that one,"RUN". Don't walk, RUN! She's TELLING you that she's had drama/ failed relationships, etc. Trying to pull the Save a Ho scheme on you.
KC
Very insightful. I'd give you more rep if the system would allow me to.Colossus said:All shaming really is is a misdirection of accountability. Creating insecurity in someone else is the quickest way to alleviate their criticism.
Women are totally intolerant of any form of criticism of their behavior. IT challenges their lifelong investment in their ego's need to to be perfect, flawless and faultless in all ways.They rarely live lives of self propulsion, striving and improvement, they just fudge the surface layer.taiyuu_otoko said:Just out of curiosity, what is your general reaction when you hear one of these attempts at shaming?
Personally I look at them as opportunities to increase my non-reactiveteness.
And, generally, my favorite response to most of these is from "When I say No I feel Guilty" by Smith.
"Hmm. Maybe you're right."
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
Nutz said:Here's a great example of what we're talking about. Just look at some of the vilification of older men dating younger women:
http://www.enotalone.com/forum/showthread.php?t=261094
Agreed. Women HATE to be held to standards, to have to answer to someone, and most of all to be held accountable.jophil28 said:Women are totally intolerant of any form of criticism of their behavior. IT challenges their lifelong investment in their ego's need to to be perfect, flawless and faultless in all ways.They rarely live lives of self propulsion, striving and improvement, they just fudge the surface layer.
Perception IS reality to women.
When i occasionally have the need to correct a woman who is out of line. I notice that I often receive a trumped up "counter attack" as if I "made her do it" , or she dredges up some petty shyte from the past as a decoy.
As Collosus said ,this is a defense and a misdirection of accountability.
So, when she fakes up one of these switches I say," Perhaps you are right, Now lets get back to what I was saying."
Mostly works.
It's not society that is promoting this, it is OLDER WOMEN who stand to lose from a man's natural preference for youth and a younger woman's natural preference (or at least acceptance of) older men.ketostix said:This is why I say females' behavior is dependent on enviroment. Think about it, women naturally are attracted to or at least don't have a problem with older men, and older men are naturally attracted to younger women. Yet society shames the older man/younger woman relationships, so that women and men will go against their own nature and date in certain age ranges. If the media ran a publicity campain extolling how great older men are, there'd be a bunch more of younger women going with older men.
Good to know!!!Knight's Cross said:Good thread STR8UP!
My all time favorite was the BPD whack job's line,"All guys leave me". Now if that wasn't the all time most ridiculous shaming line I'd ever heard.... Believe me fella's if you hear that one,"RUN". Don't walk, RUN! She's TELLING you that she's had drama/ failed relationships, etc. Trying to pull the Save a Ho scheme on you.
KC
If you carefully read that article - you will see girls initially attacking that young girl for dating an older guy.Nutz said:Here's a great example of what we're talking about. Just look at some of the vilification of older men dating younger women:
http://www.enotalone.com/forum/showthread.php?t=261094
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
penkitten said:
WIFE BEATER
Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."
You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.
She's been waiting forty minutes.
Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.