LikerOfWomen
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...is a beautiful woman's voicemail.
Ugh!
Any pointers?
Ugh!
Any pointers?
"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."
Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.
Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?
You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.
Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.
The only thing harder to talk to than a beautiful woman...
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"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
Giovanni Casanova
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Why? Is her outgoing message really, really, really beautiful?
LikerOfWomen
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It's difficult to sound smooth coming up with a monologue when you're expecting a dialogue. At least, I have trouble with it... obviously it's a DJ skill to be developed like anything else, but I don't have it!
"Oh, you're not there... well, uh... um.... (stammering like a moron) (making lame joke)...."
I try to be prepared, but when they catch me by surprise I tend to make a fool of myself. I would just hang up before the beep, but when their phone lets them see all incoming calls that may be even worse.
"Oh, you're not there... well, uh... um.... (stammering like a moron) (making lame joke)...."
I try to be prepared, but when they catch me by surprise I tend to make a fool of myself. I would just hang up before the beep, but when their phone lets them see all incoming calls that may be even worse.
skeetman3000
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Usually "Hi [person], this is [your name].I'm just calling because [reason why you are calling] can you call me back at [phone#] as soon as possible/is conveinent. Thank you." works well. If you don't want to leave a reason you can remove that part, and feel free to adapt it however you like. Answering machine/voicemail is just there to communicate information so the person knows who to call back and why. Jokes and stuff just waste time and space in the voicemailbox or answering machine.
m4a1
Senior Don Juan
-Go to hotornot.com
-Find a picture of an ugly chick (HB3)
-Print her picture
-Dial this HB10's voice mail
-When you hear the beep, look at the HB3 and imagine that you're talking to her.
-Find a picture of an ugly chick (HB3)
-Print her picture
-Dial this HB10's voice mail
-When you hear the beep, look at the HB3 and imagine that you're talking to her.
"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
MindOverMatter
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Haha, that's funny, but I bet it will work for a lot of people who are nervous wrecks on the phone.
naoi deag se deag
Senior Don Juan
"Hey, I ran into [someone you know] and we got to talking about you, and he said the craziest thing. He said you" then hang up. She calls back eager to know what this guy said about her, and you've got a dialogue.
My personal tactic:
"...leave a message after the tone..."
BEEP
Me: BEEEEEEEEEELCH. Dork.
And re: incoming call list, call twice with blocked number, twice from cell, twice from home, twice from work, twice from someone else's cell, twice from gas station payphone etc.
My personal tactic:
"...leave a message after the tone..."
BEEP
Me: BEEEEEEEEEELCH. Dork.
And re: incoming call list, call twice with blocked number, twice from cell, twice from home, twice from work, twice from someone else's cell, twice from gas station payphone etc.
Bonhomme
Master Don Juan
Nah, leave a message
I don't block caller ID (unless it's a test to see if someone's playing games or avoiding me, so I could NEXT them straight out), and rarely call without leaving a message.
1) Calling a lot without leaving messages looks stalkerish and wimpy.
2) People don't get all that many blocked calls, so eventually a gal with brain one would see you're the one making all those blocked calls.
Even high interest gals can be weird about returning calls. Just don't focus too much on any particular gal, and things wil take care of themselves.
Usually I just leave a simple message "(hey ____, it's ________, (optional brief statement of plans), I can be reached at -----------.)", sometimes with a little C+F remark, if something good and unforced comes to mind naturally.
I don't block caller ID (unless it's a test to see if someone's playing games or avoiding me, so I could NEXT them straight out), and rarely call without leaving a message.
1) Calling a lot without leaving messages looks stalkerish and wimpy.
2) People don't get all that many blocked calls, so eventually a gal with brain one would see you're the one making all those blocked calls.
Even high interest gals can be weird about returning calls. Just don't focus too much on any particular gal, and things wil take care of themselves.
Usually I just leave a simple message "(hey ____, it's ________, (optional brief statement of plans), I can be reached at -----------.)", sometimes with a little C+F remark, if something good and unforced comes to mind naturally.
“The 22 Psychological Triggers That Make Women Chase You… Starting Tonight”
Forget the cash, the cars, and the chiseled jawlines. Female desire operates on a completely different frequency. Primal. Subconscious. Triggers that bypass her logic and hit her on a gut level. Most guys are totally blind to them.
I know because I was one of them. The overthinking. The paralysis. The silent drive home kicking yourself for freezing up. Watching average guys walk away with the girl while you stood there stuck in your own head.
Then I decoded the psychology behind what actually makes women tick. 22 hard rules. Subtle behavioral shifts that rewired my entire reality. The anxiety evaporated. Women started leaning in. Investing. Chasing.
captn caveman
Don Juan
Simply,
"Hi, this is ... , give me a call when you are back."
Why is this so ****ing difficult?
Ah, in Europe,
One thing:
On the cell phone, after you call and she does not answerr,
DO NOT send an SMS, saying, you called for this for that...
She sees your number, and she will call back.
"Hi, this is ... , give me a call when you are back."
Why is this so ****ing difficult?
Ah, in Europe,
One thing:
On the cell phone, after you call and she does not answerr,
DO NOT send an SMS, saying, you called for this for that...
She sees your number, and she will call back.
squirrels
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You should EXPECT the voicemail on the first call. Most people, when they see a strange number on their caller ID, won't pick up at first. They'll wait and see from the voicemail who TF you are.
If you get the live person, consider yourself lucky and continue. If you get the voicemail, leave ONE message...tell her you're going to call her back at xxxxxxx so she has no excuse for not taking the call. Or just tell her to call YOU back.
In most cases, there's no need to leave a voicemail more than once.
If you get the live person, consider yourself lucky and continue. If you get the voicemail, leave ONE message...tell her you're going to call her back at xxxxxxx so she has no excuse for not taking the call. Or just tell her to call YOU back.
In most cases, there's no need to leave a voicemail more than once.
Re:
Bottom line, if a person can't respond to a voicemail, they're not interested, and they wouldn't be very worthwhile on a date.
Why waste time with someone useless on a phone?
It's not that big a deal bro's. Call. Be the man that you were born as. State your claim. Socialize. Repeat. If you don't ask for what you want, you don't get it.
Once the Rapport flows, or if you have it over a small joke you can leave something, but let your personality dictate what you do.
Women don't just like one type of guy, or do they? HMMMM....Something to think about.
A-Unit
Bottom line, if a person can't respond to a voicemail, they're not interested, and they wouldn't be very worthwhile on a date.
Why waste time with someone useless on a phone?
It's not that big a deal bro's. Call. Be the man that you were born as. State your claim. Socialize. Repeat. If you don't ask for what you want, you don't get it.
Once the Rapport flows, or if you have it over a small joke you can leave something, but let your personality dictate what you do.
Women don't just like one type of guy, or do they? HMMMM....Something to think about.
A-Unit
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The only thing harder to talk to than a beautiful woman...
Some of the ignorant zeta males on this site!
Some of the ignorant zeta males on this site!
Giovanni Casanova
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Dude, we're not zeta males.
Omega is the last letter of the greek alphabet.
We're Omega Males.
"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
Francisco d'Anconia
Master Don Juan
"Hi it's Francisco. I'm going bowling Friday night and I wanted to know if you would want to tag along. Let me know by tomorrow night if you want to have some fun. Talk to you later." CLICK.
Simple as that.
Simple as that.
yeah i also get kind of out of words when an aswering machine answers
but hey! thats cause here in Mexico like .01% of the people use them, so im just not used to them
but i dont worry about it, after all, only like one in a thousand use them
but hey! thats cause here in Mexico like .01% of the people use them, so im just not used to them
but i dont worry about it, after all, only like one in a thousand use them
Matt Rogers
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God. I know exactly what you guys are talking about. I am sure everyone knows my story about the Finnish girl who reply to "why don't you answer my calls" (I know-I was pissed) was "oh, it is Finnish culture-all my friends get cross with me for not returning calls" -although when she decided to flake, it suited her to suddenly start returning calls.
She was incredibly hard to get hold of even while we she was still interested in me, and I often joke to friends I had a whirlwind romance with her answerphone.
My take is that it is a bad idea to arrange dates by answerphone as it does not allow her to counteroffer so easily, and you can cut through her excuses and tell whether she is actually interested or not. The problem is that if a girl is hard to get hold of, continually calling her until she is in, makes you look desperate. The alternative of leaving a message saying "Hi it is M. Give me a ring" does not seem to work much better in my experience.
What does everyone suggest?
I can now see why Doc Love prefers home phone number as then you are either at home or not, whereas mobile there are any number of reasons why someone doesn't pick up.
She was incredibly hard to get hold of even while we she was still interested in me, and I often joke to friends I had a whirlwind romance with her answerphone.
My take is that it is a bad idea to arrange dates by answerphone as it does not allow her to counteroffer so easily, and you can cut through her excuses and tell whether she is actually interested or not. The problem is that if a girl is hard to get hold of, continually calling her until she is in, makes you look desperate. The alternative of leaving a message saying "Hi it is M. Give me a ring" does not seem to work much better in my experience.
What does everyone suggest?
I can now see why Doc Love prefers home phone number as then you are either at home or not, whereas mobile there are any number of reasons why someone doesn't pick up.
frivolousz21
Master Don Juan
hot girl, HOT HOT girl, PAM ANDERSON!
what is the differnce?
if you cant be yourself weather she is perfect or fat...then dont bother calling.
if she ishot so what..ignore it..treat her like everyone else..and may success be with youi
what is the differnce?
if you cant be yourself weather she is perfect or fat...then dont bother calling.
if she ishot so what..ignore it..treat her like everyone else..and may success be with youi
Bonhomme
Master Don Juan
Good idea to leave your #
... especially if she doesn't have your #. Even if she does, too many people store their #s on a cell phone, without having them on a hard copy, and lose the cell phone, and with it, their phone book.
... especially if she doesn't have your #. Even if she does, too many people store their #s on a cell phone, without having them on a hard copy, and lose the cell phone, and with it, their phone book.
"I just moved here from Florida."
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.