The number 1 subtle sign a man is low value

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

You get triggered by flaking.

Bum ass college me was so worried about getting flaked on and when it did I would blame it on her finding another dvck to hop on. Now I see flaking as a relief because that's an opening in my schedule and now that I'm actually busy, I can fully understand on why a woman would flake. When you are over here crying about a girl flaking, you are showing me that you had nothing better to do all day but sit there and pray that she doesn't flake on you. You are also telling me that you have never had such a hard day's work that maybe you don't have the energy to drive downtown and meet a stranger or maybe you did forget that you had prior arrangements.

Get better man!

 

[Plinco]

You get triggered by flaking.

Bum ass college me was so worried about getting flaked on and when it did I would blame it on her finding another dvck to hop on. Now I see flaking as a relief because that's an opening in my schedule and now that I'm actually busy, I can fully understand on why a woman would flake. When you are over here crying about a girl flaking, you are showing me that you had nothing better to do all day but sit there and pray that she doesn't flake on you. You are also telling me that you have never had such a hard day's work that maybe you don't have the energy to drive downtown and meet a stranger or maybe you did forget that you had prior arrangements.

Get better man!

How you react to disrespect is symptomatic of your level of self-respect.

So I would say that an essence of a low value person is a low degree of self-respect.

 

[lost_blackbird]

So I would say that an essence of a low value person is a low degree of self-respect.

And I would say such people are made that way by others, not born like it.

 

[DisposableBenchmark]

Meh. Even if a girl flakes it's still really annoying. I plan my week ahead quite a bit. So often if I schedule a date it's in lieu of something else that can be arranged. If a girl flakes, I can always find something to fill my time last minute, but it'll never be as good as something I could have planned/arranged a few days prior. I work full time and study part time, plus sports commitments other voluntary things. Time is precious. I hate flakers, and it will continue to trigger me until I die. And as mentioned in the other thread (Why Are People So Flaky?) it's not just women / dates being flaked on nowadays. But male friends are doing it a lot. For example we've organised a football trip and pals are yes..no...yes..no... we'll see how the weather goes....

 

[powersize]

Meh. Even if a girl flakes it's still really annoying. I plan my week ahead quite a bit. So often if I schedule a date it's in lieu of something else that can be arranged. If a girl flakes, I can always find something to fill my time last minute, but it'll never be as good as something I could have planned/arranged a few days prior. I work full time and study part time, plus sports commitments other voluntary things. Time is precious. I hate flakers, and it will continue to trigger me until I die. And as mentioned in the other thread (Why Are People So Flaky?) it's not just women / dates being flaked on nowadays. But male friends are doing it a lot. For example we've organised a football trip and pals are yes..no...yes..no... we'll see how the weather goes....

That is the reason why we should have some goals in our life - so it some chick flakes and you have extra free 4 hours in your schedule than you can always work on your goals.

 

[rjc149]

Making plans and then cancelling them last-minute is disrespectful and worthy of aggravation. There was a mutual agreement to commit time, and one party reneged simply because they didn’t feel like honoring the agreement.

It’s not whether you feel that aggravation which determines your value, it’s how you deal with it.

 

[Robert28]

I get not losing your head over flaking or other behavior of women. I have never bought the whole “it’s just their nature, they can’t help it!” excuse. No, it’s not your nature to be a crap person. You choose to be that way and too many men are giving them a pass for it. Those same men that say “don’t worry about a flake, don’t let it bother you! It’s women’s nature!” are the same ones that will try to set another date with the woman if she hits him up in the future after flaking. Nothing says “I don’t respect myself at all” more than that. No, don’t lose your head over flaking but once she flakes that’s it. Never speak to her ever again. Ever. Too many men excuse women’s behavior and we shouldn’t, that’s why it’s become worse over the years.

 

[powersize]

Making plans and then cancelling them last-minute is disrespectful and worthy of aggravation. There was a mutual agreement to commit time, and one party reneged simply because they didn’t feel like honoring the agreement.

It’s not whether you feel that aggravation which determines your value, it’s how you deal with it.

Delete, block and move one with such chicks. If the friend does the same multiple times - do the same for him/her.

 

[rjc149]

Delete, block and move one with such chicks. If the friend does the same multiple times - do the same for him/her.

A flake is defined as a short-notice cancellation on formal plans without a suggested reschedule. A suggested reschedule is simply a reschedule.

A 1st date flake should be responded to with "okay, no worries." That's it. Not silence -- silence can be interpreted as sulky and butthurt. On several occasions I responded to a flake with "no worries" and she hit me up a week or two later. Whether conscious on her part or not, view this as a confidence "sh!t" test.

If the flake on a date is under an hour's notice, or she simply stands you up, it's up to you how you want to play it -- you're not going to fvck it up more or salvage it at this point. She's done. Her IL is too low, or she has no basic manners and is not someone you want to deal with.

A lot of times, you'll make informal plans to meet up later when you're both out with friends. Expect last-minute flakes in these situations. Same response. "Okay, no worries."

If this is a girl you're dating (or a friend) and flaking is a trend, you can call her out "hmm I'm noticing this is a trend and it's pretty rude. If you want to meet up, let me know."

 

[Stuffnu]

no worries.

This and no more.

Its easy to flake nowadays when people can remain anonymous, especially behind OLDs.
However I never block or delete as this is an emotional response. A man is not bothered by petty behavior and you never know.

A small story, I had one materialize 4 months later. Some long winded excuse, blah blah blah. In truth she could have been gang banged by Santa‘s reindeer and got dumped. I don’t care…. She offered me dinner to make up for it. I responded that I was only interested in dessert. Well she served me dessert.

 

[EyeBRollin]

Flaking is completely unacceptable. One flake and she’s gone. Forever.

 

[metalwater]

flaking is triage. same as being on time or late. think of flake as the extreme of late.

the OTHER thing that causes flake is anxiety.

flake might be very high interest and high anxiety because of that.

flake might be triage low, meaning low interest in you and or the planned activity. if it's a flake without good reasons then it's low interest in you. men and women will flake on you sometimes. And you will flake on others sometimes. When you flake think about if that's what you want to demonstrate.

on another side of it, I have never had a top-level person flake on me, men or women, only lower level ones will do this. So the woman that flakes on you might be hot but is lower character AND low interest for you. Has nothing directly to do with your value, you can be very high value and not activate her triggers. It's not a big deal, just pick up the girl that just flaked on the other guy as a replacement.

 

[BadBoy89]

Girl: ”Hey mom, I got 2 guys chasing me. The first guy has no money in bank, no job, no prospects, but when I cancelled our first date he didn’t get upset. The second guy has a lot of money in the bank, great job, great prospects, but when I cancelled our first date he got upset. Who should I go with?

Mom: “Definitely the first guy, the sign of high value man is not getting upset when a girl flakes.”

Girl: “Got it, thanks mom!”

Come on.

 

[Zimbabwe]

Even if i have a dozen other options i would still be annoyed, flaking is incredibly childish and I don't think anyone should tolerate it wether its a male or female that flakes.

If you make plans with someone, you stick to it. Imagine you organise a meeting with your boss and decide to flake? You would be fired.

Your boss isn't going to just see it as a relief. I've cut off friends I knew for years for flaking on me.

 

[CAPSLOCK BANDIT]

Tolerating a flake means you have an abundance of time on your hands, which means you don't have a purpose, which means every second that passes, not only is your actual value lowering but the value your pretending to have is lowering as well.

Seriously, you can't even pretend your high value, this is a level of sad we have not saw here in a while

I get it, fake it till you make it, but this is just authentic low value

 

[BackInTheGame78]

If a chick flakes, I will spend the time making money in crypto. Either way it doesn't matter to me.

 

[metalwater]

At what point does female flaking affect those that say it doesn't? Suppose you want a vagina to surround your djck instead of your hand by the time the 3rd or 4th or 9th female in a row flakes...

by number nine in a row, time for a new plan....

 

[SW15]

Girl: ”Hey mom, I got 2 guys chasing me. The first guy has no money in bank, no job, no prospects, but when I cancelled our first date he didn’t get upset. The second guy has a lot of money in the bank, great job, great prospects, but when I cancelled our first date he got upset. Who should I go with?

Mom: “Definitely the first guy, the sign of high value man is not getting upset when a girl flakes.”

Girl: “Got it, thanks mom!”

Come on.

You're right. That conversation never happens. Women do not inform their social circles when they flake.

The manner in which men meet women affects flaking or not. Men who meet women through swipe apps are most likely to experience flaking, followed by men who cold approach strangers. I've always been surprised that women don't respect the cold approacher too much more than the app swiper. In either method, they have nothing invested and there's no friction for them. There are no consequences for their bad behavior.

Women won't flake, ghost, or be rude to men they meet through their social circle. Why? There are social consequences. She's likely to have to face an unpleasant conversation about it if she does.

Another rarer situation when they won't ghost is when they pay money to be a client of a matchmaker and meet men through a matchmaker. This is typical only professional women ages 35-54 who do this. Female lawyers, doctors, and well compensated business women. A very small percentage of women pay to be clients of matchmakers. Men are more likely to pay to be clients of matchmakers and meet women that way. Women that men meet through matchmakers can also be flaky.

You get triggered by flaking.

How triggered? It is annoying.

If it is less than 2 hours before a date that the text message notifying of a flake happens, that's really bad. Occasionally there's still the flake of the no call, no text, no show, but that's been much more rare since 2010 due to text messaging.

It's more common in my experience that the flake happens 5+ hours before. If a 7-8 PM date, I typically have received my flake notification somewhere between 9 AM-2 PM that day.

Most of the time, flaking will affect my schedule so that won't be pleasant. I typically won't react to a flake text so the woman won't know I'm not thrilled about it. If no future interaction, she can't tell if I am low or high value based on my non-reaction. The flake occurs because she's low interest. Women don't flake when they are high interest. There's a time when an occasional high interest woman might have something come up and she'll need to re-schedule but she'll do it in a way that indicates her high interest.

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

A flake in my definition is any cancellation greater than two hours. Anything less than or greater than two hours is being stood up not a flake. I'm not saying it's good to be flaked on but if this ruins your day then you have too much to lose on a female.

 

[SW15]

A flake in my definition is any cancellation greater than two hours. Anything less than or greater than two hours is being stood up not a flake. I'm not saying it's good to be flaked on but if this ruins your day then you have too much to lose on a female.

Appreciate the definition. I've had less than 2 hours flakes and no shows in life, though not often. I think the rise in popularity of text messaging starting in the late 2000s reduced the stood up factor. The more common occurrence for me has been the same day cancellation with something like 3-9 hours notice.

Both the stand up and the flake will impact my day to some extent. It's difficult not to be bothered about it. The easiest thing I mentioned above is not sending a text message as a reply. While you can bothered about it on your own, it is good not to let the other person know.

If it is early stages and I haven't had sex with the woman and there's a flake/stand up, communication is ceased. If there's a cancellation with an attempt to re-schedule made on her part, I'll likely interact.

The most difficult thing I find in early stages are the "one date, no sex, no second date" dates. I haven't enjoyed occurrences when there was a first date with no sex and I wanted a second date. I made the offer for the second date and either received no response or got some phony azz text of "I had a good time but do not see this going anywhere" type text.

At what point does female flaking affect those that say it doesn't? Suppose you want a vagina to surround your djck instead of your hand by the time the 3rd or 4th or 9th female in a row flakes...

It's difficult not to take that personally. I'd say that would occur around the 3rd or 4th flake in a row happens. Rarely will a man get that many flakes in a row. It might go something like flake, flake, show (but no sex), flake, show (but no sex)