“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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The *No Contact* Challenge! ( Read this if you just got dumped)

What happens, IN HER MIND, is that she comes to see you as WORTHLESS simply because she hasn't had to INVEST anything in you in order to get you or to keep you.

You were an interesting diversion while she had nothing else to do. But now that someone a little more valuable has come along, someone who expects her to treat him very well, she'll have no problem at all dropping you or demoting you to lowly "friendship" status.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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Hey Alex,
I read your posts here in the NC-thread, and I think you know the deal with BPD. So to me it seems there is only one thing left to do for you, or two:
1. Just forgive her. BPDs are pathological liars, almost have no self-concept or at least a very fragile one so they adopt yours, because they can´t be alone. From my experience with my BPD-Ex I think theese girls felt so much unimaginable pain in their childhood and even later in their down-peirods (feeling dpressed, lonly, empty) as adults, err in an adult body, because emotionally they are like 3-year old child. Ever seen a 3-year old child that has remorse or conscience or takes resposibility? No they just don´t have theese and BPDs don´t have it either because of this f@cked up disease, but so many Ex-Lovers of BPDs except them to have it. But it just won´t happen. Never! I think that´s also one of the points, why you won´t get any closure with theese girls. You just have to make it for own.

Another thing is about abandonment. They have been abandoned as childs. Just imagine the incredible pain. As chils they had no chance to do anything against the
life-threathing abuse they experienced! It is an existential fear of them to be abandoned, therefore they have to abandon you in a break up not the other way round, it´s essential for their survival! I hope you get what I mean, they have to win, they have to be in control, as little child they had no control. Of course I´m no psychologist, but as psychologists usually don´t deal with BPDs in the context of a love relationship, how should they know better than a guy or a girl that was in love with a BPD?
At least the above written is my own point of view, it helped me to forgive her, she doesn´t know better, but I know.
2. Just forgive yourself for thinking you have being fooled.
Man this is a PickUp forum here, you get the tools to seduce some nice woman and BPDs are somehow just Naturals. However BPDs as emotionally 3 year old childs in a mature body are not aware of that they seduce with destructive and dangerous consequences for their loved ones.
So if you get out alive of such a toxic rs. Be happy and don´t be so serious about who did the break up first or even about being fooled?
All this "I wish I break up with her first." stuff is just an EGO-thing (in my opinion this applies to rs with BPDs or NONs). Detach your emotions and your EGO and you are free. Just get over it, fastlane has some nice posts here to do it.
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/index....confidence-how-to-be-you.233590/#post-2332401
Take your own responsibility and don´t play the blame game!

The other day I had a fortune cookie with a nice saying
'Love is a game in which both players cheat.'

Thank you brother for ur time to reply to my post and give me an objective thinking from ur side. I am aware of the ego thing that is going on in my head but im trying my best to leave that aside. And yes, BPD women are hell ! Everything u said is true..
 

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Bro come on,I thought we were in this together time wise, I'm not hating but you've given me helpful tough love and I'll give it back,I knew this might happen to you from the sounds of your last update. You gave in to the guilt and denial stage that hits hard around that time period. If your spinning other plates there's no reason to do this if I can stay strong with no plates and coming home to an empty house every night and mine still contacting me. You got a pitty **** from her and gave up your dignity don't give in again,stay strong brother.
We are all human with a heart and failings. We are not machines. We f*** up sometimes as @BeTheChange did here. Just got to try and learn from it. I just had a weekend of wild sex with my new woman, it was great. But I still think of the ex, especially since she offered me FWB status with her. I am so tempted but I do not think it is a good idea for my emotional well-being. Maybe I always will want her, she meant a lot to me despite the sh1t she gave me. I'm a very bright, professional and switched-on man. I should know better. But logic and education plays no part in human desires and sometimes we fail and we give in to our temptations. It is so hard sometimes. I feel and have sympathy for @BeTheChange even though he undoubtedly fooked up.
 

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We are all human with a heart and failings. We are not machines. We f*** up sometimes as @BeTheChange did here. Just got to try and learn from it. I just had a weekend of wild sex with my new woman, it was great. But I still think of the ex, especially since she offered me FWB status with her. I am so tempted but I do not think it is a good idea for my emotional well-being. Maybe I always will want her, she meant a lot to me despite the sh1t she gave me. I'm a very bright, professional and switched-on man. I should know better. But logic and education plays no part in human desires and sometimes we fail and we give in to our temptations. It is so hard sometimes. I feel and have sympathy for @BeTheChange even though he undoubtedly fooked up.
Oh no doubt,I'm not hating on him,it's just that it comes down to how bad it got really,with a full blown bpd ex like mine I've come out of the fog enough to know without a doubt If I continue with her in any way I will end up dead or in jail. I've been where he is and even though he ****ed her while she was talking to the other dude he lost,and she won it feeds into her power trip,these people will literally Destroy you and continue on there merry way like it was all you. They literally destroy your self esteem and you feel like you've got the upper hand when you've gone through hell and high water to bang them or get them to commit time with you but as they say,"when the devil wants to dance you better say never because the dance with the devil will last you forever."
 

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Day 47
On day 45 she called me around 8 times throughout the day
Day 46 - she called me once in the evening.

I have not picked up and just ignore these calls.

I like my life the way it is and so many things are going so well for me.

Fecking glad I didn't contact her.
 

If you currently have too many women chasing you, calling you, harassing you, knocking on your door at 2 o'clock in the morning... then I have the simple solution for you.

Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.

This will quickly drive all women away from you.

And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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will be 7 weeks tommorow - absolutely 0 contact.

absolutely cannot wait.

Meeting and going out with a girl on saturday.
and also meeting another on monday.

perfect.
 

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30 days NC on Sunday.

She and I belong to the same FB Group for a volunteer thing, so I've had to post on there a few times. She "Liked" one of my posts. Other than that, NADA.
 

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Nothing more frustrating than this, the presentation of problems and the slow realization that they don't really want to have them fixed, i.e. they are just excuses.
Agree. 100%. If she wanted to fix the problems she would still be with you still, working at them. She is not, she's gone. Conclusion? She is not interested in you and nothing you say with change this; you could offer her the world and it would still not be enough. So let her go and forget her and let her live with her choice. She will often realize in her own time how wrong she was about you, by which time you will be happy and in love with someone else.
 

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today is 7 weeks.
cant believe how i feel. I feel ****ing great as opposed to being a sad nervous anxious wreck when I was with her with no goals or not really even getting anything done apart from living day to day and trying to keep her happy. In these 7 weeks I have got my **** together, I rarely think of her and have sort of forgotten she even exists also!

I have gone from around 18-20% bodyfat to around 11-12% in 6 weeks. Really pleased with how my body is looking and within 6-10 weeks i will be 7-8% bodyfat - in other words I will be proper shredded.

Business is doing much better and plans to expand are there.

My savings £$ have also gone up, as I havent met any girls or really gone anywhere. Perfect.

I have also started to slowly cold approach and get into that habit also.

1 more week and its the extremely looked forward to 2 months NC. After this **** my Ex, I have bigger plans ;)
 

If you currently have too many women chasing you, calling you, harassing you, knocking on your door at 2 o'clock in the morning... then I have the simple solution for you.

Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.

This will quickly drive all women away from you.

And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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@Firestar786 Good stuff I see you.

DAY 30

Feels like ages since the break. Thoughts getting better so is work and everything else with it. Right now I'm planning a couple trips abroad. If you're just starting NC wipe the slate clean. Know that each day you'll grow stronger and think of them less and less. NC is power...why contact and give them the power back.
 

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Day 56, any opinions and advice are appreciated (long post)

Background,

Was in a relationship with a much younger and attractive lady. When I met her I was in shape and spinning plates. Swept her off her feet. Probably the best relationship I have ever had. She pushed me to become a better person. 13 months later, major beta backsliding. Not the being a pushover beta part as much as getting fat and playing video games all day because I felt I was entitled to the relationship. Ignored her too much. She broke it off (lack of rapport, attraction, interest drop), I went NC and starting spinning plates again. Got back in shape.

She contacted me a few times (of course....) with "I hope all is well" and "Hey how are you" and I responded politely but kept it short. I know that's not NC but I kept aloof and never brought up the breakup. Kept the phone calls that she initiated super short because I was "busy". I never initiated any contact. Some of her friends kept in contact and were super friendly, which was strange. She wanted to meet for coffee, which we did. She was semi flirty, gave me some stuff back, but I could see in her eyes that they were dilated and enjoyed my company. I broke off the coffee meeting after 40 minutes because I "had plans with friends."

Ran into her dad with a hot new girl I was dating who had a PHD (which I knew would drive my ex crazy because she was obsessed with education and was super proud of her masters /eyeroll). I know he reported it to her. Anyway, after that, she stopped contacting. That was 1 month in.

Another month goes by (56 days), and I don't know why, but I reached out to her to grab a drink. She was polite and short, so was I, but she agreed to meet up. She responded to my messages instantly. I don't know why I even contacted her again. I tell myself that it's to prove that I can face her and be cool. A challenge of sorts as I think about her a lot, usually first thing in the morning. On the other hand, I'm afraid its simple oneitis.

Questions,
1) How to behave at this meetup? I aim to either get laid after rejection for the ego boost, or genuinely enjoy her company as a human being, or....

2) Am I failsauce for contacting her again? I'm having no problem getting girls, and feel my game is tighter than ever, but I feel like maybe I screwed up a good thing.

3) Was being an uncaring ******* the reason that she stuck around? Or the reason it fell apart? Should I amp up the uncaring ******* post breakup, or is that just me childishly lashing out at someone I loved who hurt me by leaving?
 

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Day 56, any opinions and advice are appreciated (long post)

Background,

Was in a relationship with a much younger and attractive lady. When I met her I was in shape and spinning plates. Swept her off her feet. Probably the best relationship I have ever had. She pushed me to become a better person. 13 months later, major beta backsliding. Not the being a pushover beta part as much as getting fat and playing video games all day because I felt I was entitled to the relationship. Ignored her too much. She broke it off (lack of rapport, attraction, interest drop), I went NC and starting spinning plates again. Got back in shape.

She contacted me a few times (of course....) with "I hope all is well" and "Hey how are you" and I responded politely but kept it short. I know that's not NC but I kept aloof and never brought up the breakup. Kept the phone calls that she initiated super short because I was "busy". I never initiated any contact. Some of her friends kept in contact and were super friendly, which was strange. She wanted to meet for coffee, which we did. She was semi flirty, gave me some stuff back, but I could see in her eyes that they were dilated and enjoyed my company. I broke off the coffee meeting after 40 minutes because I "had plans with friends."

Ran into her dad with a hot new girl I was dating who had a PHD (which I knew would drive my ex crazy because she was obsessed with education and was super proud of her masters /eyeroll). I know he reported it to her. Anyway, after that, she stopped contacting. That was 1 month in.

Another month goes by (56 days), and I don't know why, but I reached out to her to grab a drink. She was polite and short, so was I, but she agreed to meet up. She responded to my messages instantly. I don't know why I even contacted her again. I tell myself that it's to prove that I can face her and be cool. A challenge of sorts as I think about her a lot, usually first thing in the morning. On the other hand, I'm afraid its simple oneitis.

Questions,
1) How to behave at this meetup? I aim to either get laid after rejection for the ego boost, or genuinely enjoy her company as a human being, or....

2) Am I failsauce for contacting her again? I'm having no problem getting girls, and feel my game is tighter than ever, but I feel like maybe I screwed up a good thing.

3) Was being an uncaring ******* the reason that she stuck around? Or the reason it fell apart? Should I amp up the uncaring ******* post breakup, or is that just me childishly lashing out at someone I loved who hurt me by leaving?
Be careful you don't want too meet back uo with her because you want to "win" the break up. No contact is for you too heal and to move on starting life in a brand new direction. Meeting for coffee and talking although brief is just keeping you on her string.
 

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Be careful you don't want too meet back uo with her because you want to "win" the break up. No contact is for you too heal and to move on starting life in a brand new direction. Meeting for coffee and talking although brief is just keeping you on her string.
Very good point. Starting to feel like breaking n/c was a mistake.
 

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Day 56, any opinions and advice are appreciated (long post)

Background,

Was in a relationship with a much younger and attractive lady. When I met her I was in shape and spinning plates. Swept her off her feet. Probably the best relationship I have ever had. She pushed me to become a better person. 13 months later, major beta backsliding. Not the being a pushover beta part as much as getting fat and playing video games all day because I felt I was entitled to the relationship. Ignored her too much. She broke it off (lack of rapport, attraction, interest drop), I went NC and starting spinning plates again. Got back in shape.

She contacted me a few times (of course....) with "I hope all is well" and "Hey how are you" and I responded politely but kept it short. I know that's not NC but I kept aloof and never brought up the breakup. Kept the phone calls that she initiated super short because I was "busy". I never initiated any contact. Some of her friends kept in contact and were super friendly, which was strange. She wanted to meet for coffee, which we did. She was semi flirty, gave me some stuff back, but I could see in her eyes that they were dilated and enjoyed my company. I broke off the coffee meeting after 40 minutes because I "had plans with friends."

Ran into her dad with a hot new girl I was dating who had a PHD (which I knew would drive my ex crazy because she was obsessed with education and was super proud of her masters /eyeroll). I know he reported it to her. Anyway, after that, she stopped contacting. That was 1 month in.

Another month goes by (56 days), and I don't know why, but I reached out to her to grab a drink. She was polite and short, so was I, but she agreed to meet up. She responded to my messages instantly. I don't know why I even contacted her again. I tell myself that it's to prove that I can face her and be cool. A challenge of sorts as I think about her a lot, usually first thing in the morning. On the other hand, I'm afraid its simple oneitis.

Questions,
1) How to behave at this meetup? I aim to either get laid after rejection for the ego boost, or genuinely enjoy her company as a human being, or....

2) Am I failsauce for contacting her again? I'm having no problem getting girls, and feel my game is tighter than ever, but I feel like maybe I screwed up a good thing.

3) Was being an uncaring ******* the reason that she stuck around? Or the reason it fell apart? Should I amp up the uncaring ******* post breakup, or is that just me childishly lashing out at someone I loved who hurt me by leaving?
Sounds to me like she broke up with you in the first place for the RIGHT reasons - you getting fat and video playing games all day. I don't blame her - what decent girl wants a fat, lazy man? In light of that and the fact you got back in shape and upped your stock maybe she wants another chance now you have sorted yourself out. Only you can weigh this up. Personally and with my own hindsight I believe that if the relationship has ended once it can do so very easily and for very spurious reasons in the future. That's not to say it will for certainty but it is highly probable. You should understand - and others on here will tell you the same - that subsequent make-up/break-up cycles become increasingly painful and take longer to recover from. Knowing what I now know about my own on-again/off-again ex I would ignore and move on.
 
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What happens, IN HER MIND, is that she comes to see you as WORTHLESS simply because she hasn't had to INVEST anything in you in order to get you or to keep you.

You were an interesting diversion while she had nothing else to do. But now that someone a little more valuable has come along, someone who expects her to treat him very well, she'll have no problem at all dropping you or demoting you to lowly "friendship" status.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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Be careful you don't want too meet back uo with her because you want to "win" the break up. No contact is for you too heal and to move on starting life in a brand new direction. Meeting for coffee and talking although brief is just keeping you on her string.
^^^^ Very true
 

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Sounds to me like she broke up with you in the first place for the RIGHT reasons - you getting fat and video playing games all day. I don't blame her - what decent girl wants a fat, lazy man? In light of that and the fact you got back in shape and upped your stock maybe she wants another chance now you have sorted yourself out. Only you can weigh this up. Personally and with my own hindsight I believe that if the relationship has ended once it can do so very easily and for very spurious reasons in the future. That's not to say it will for certainty but it is highly probable. You should understand - and others on here will tell you the same - that subsequent make-up/break-up cycles become increasingly painful and take longer to recover from. Knowing what I now know about my own on-again/off-again ex I would ignore and move on.
Thanks. That's the truth. She was a good girl and I ****ed it up. But there are a millions of them and now I know what to work on (avoid video games like the plague, keep in shape, and focus on my business), so when I meet an even better girl, I wont make the same mistakes. That hard learned lesson is what makes the breakup a good thing. Plus, as my guy friend reminded me, she was also a "bossy, controlling, feminist." Good riddance!
 

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Called her yesterday. She told me she was in love with someone else and didn't want to be with me anymore. Told her to come round. Said she had a date with the guy, but would come over beforehand.

Told her I'd grown a lot and saw things differently. She wasn't receptive. I kept pushing. The guy she was meant to be on a date with was calling/ texting and she delayed it so I decided to keep trying. Basically played some serious beta game. Eventually she succumbed. Smashed her about 5 times last night and this morning.

Wasn't the same. I don't think I like her as I used to. It was partly an ego thing...to know I could still have her.... We want to "make things work" but I'm not even sure anymore and I'm definitely not giving up all the plates I'm racking up...it's crazy out there right now.
I believe the advice you gave to me in my thread after I had replied amicably ONCE to my (bpd) ex after she contacted me after 7 months of NC - and only to help give myself closure - included:

"What is wrong with you? Why would you ever let a woman know she had that power over you?"
"I don't understand why you are handling this so badly. Move on. Work on yourself and heal"
"Eyes wide open now bro. Don't let them back in at all."

Unless this is a different girl in question (and I doubt it very much), you are just a self-indulgent hypocrite with zero self-control and you have no right to be giving advice to anyone in a similar position.

Disappointed.
 

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One month NC. Three months post BU.

Hardest breakup I've ever had. They say the hardest ranked by recovery time are #1 - The Blind Side/GIGS and #2 -First Love. Welp, this breakup was BOTH (and potentially, though she said it wasn't, #3 Cheating/Branch Swinging). Throw in some minor BPD (idealization and devaluation) and you've got a perfect storm of heartbreak.

Wish I'd gone through this when I was in my early 20s, but none of my other relationships I was all that crazy about. However, I can take solace that 1.) While I shouldn't have made contact AT ALL, I never begged and I didn't turn into a whimpering simp, 2.) I've gone through a painful breakup and am getting better in pretty good time, all things considered. I've stronger because of this and haven't lost my confidence in myself or in people.

Here's the deal dudes - if you were dumped after a LTR, the ball is in her court. That simple. Don't take it personally. If you were a good BF, then be proud, improve where you can, and take those skills to a better girl. Chances are your ex didn't leave you for him, but left your relationship (safe, secure, established) for something different. That's a sign of emotional immaturity. You may hurt now, but in the grand scheme of things she'll hurt down the road because she threw a good thing away. And by then, you'll be better. Never give up. Get up.
 

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I believe the advice you gave to me in my thread after I had replied amicably ONCE to my (bpd) ex after she contacted me after 7 months of NC - and only to help give myself closure - included:

"What is wrong with you? Why would you ever let a woman know she had that power over you?"
"I don't understand why you are handling this so badly. Move on. Work on yourself and heal"
"Eyes wide open now bro. Don't let them back in at all."

Unless this is a different girl in question (and I doubt it very much), you are just a self-indulgent hypocrite with zero self-control and you have no right to be giving advice to anyone in a similar position.

Disappointed.
Different strokes brother. If an objective person looking at your situation would conclude you were the wronged party then my advice would still stand. For my situation that is not the case and I deliberately chose not to divulge too many details about my behaviour because I wanted the sympathy and feel good factor.

My advice still stands. You should never let anyone know they have power over you. In fact from my ex's perspective she mainly believes I called just to satisfy my own ego of knowing "I could have her back whenever I wanted" even if she was in a new relationship. This was not the reason of course but it suits my frame if that is a small niggling doubt for her in these first few weeks.

If this thing with my ex crumbles then I'll survive. Ultimately this was about me and what I wanted to do and I'm content with my choices. If I didn't feel I was able to continue developing into a better man while dealing with her I would not have contacted her.

Best of luck in whatever you choose to do.
 
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