The new Michael Jackson documentary

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#61
Do yourself a favour and don't go for 'Leaving Neverland' showing. You might hurt someone. Peace out.
Exactly. More ad hominem personal attacks because you have no evidence of any kind aside from he's weird. Whatever you say tattoo unicorn pedo freak. Since you like to attack without evidence, let's see how you like it. I'll attack you with baseless accusations whenever I feel like just because. Let's see if the moderators allow that. Let's see if we can act like the media here on sosuave.

For the mods, I'm not actually accusing Markfromeurope of being a tattooed, unicorn fixated pedo freak. He may or may not be. I don't even know if his name is mark. Or if he's actually from europe. But since he's from europe and fixated on unicorns, he probably is a pedo. Sarcasm.
 
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I'll repeat: We were told by the media that Michael may have been abused as a child.

How did you hear about it? Your dentist? YOU show you the media sources.
Use google bro. Sarcasm.

And why do you have any doubts that MJ was molested? You are quite certain he is a molester. Why do you believe "the media" and not an anonymous internet poster? Because the media is credible? Who says so? The media?!?
 

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Use google bro. Sarcasm.

And why do you have any doubts that MJ was molested? You are quite certain he is a molester. Why do you believe "the media" and not an anonymous internet poster? Because the media is credible? Who says so? The media?!?
You heard about it from Google?

I never said I had doubts about anything. Nor did I say I was certain of anything.
 
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You heard about it from Google?

I never said I had doubts about anything. Nor did I say I was certain of anything.
Are you sure? You sound like a liar and child molester.

Sarcasm: I don't think you are a child molester. But I have no proof that you are not. However, you do like old movies, and that makes you a fvcking weirdo. Probably a child molester.
 

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Are you sure? You sound like a liar and child molester.

Sarcasm: I don't think you are a child molester. But I have no proof that you are not. However, you do like old movies, and that makes you a fvcking weirdo. Probably a child molester.
That's cool.
 

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Why do you say "if" MJ was sexually assaulted? Why is that charge so questionable when you are convinced the accusations against MJ were true? Talk about a double standard. Here's why: because you've been brainwashed by the media to believe MJ is a child molester but you have NOT been brainwashed to believe that MJ himself was molested.
Because I DON'T KNOW FOR SURE that Michael was molested. I have no reason to doubt it. But I also DON'T KNOW FOR SURE that MJ molested anyone either. But I do think it looks very suspicious.

There's a lot of smoke around him for there to be no fire. If he wasn't a famous and largely beloved superstar, people would just assume he was a creeper and probably lock him up.
 
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Because I DON'T KNOW FOR SURE that Michael was molested. I have no reason to doubt it. But I also DON'T KNOW FOR SURE that MJ molested anyone either. But I do think it looks very suspicious.

There's a lot of smoke around him for there to be no fire. If he wasn't a famous and largely beloved superstar, people would just assume he was a creeper and probably lock him up.
As a matter of fact, star trek fans are far more likely to be child molesters. It's proven. Child Protective Services knows this. Your avatar looks an awful lot like Captain Kirk. Where there's smoke there's fire indeed. It couldn't be any more obvious than if you had a pedobear stitched on your sleeve. Hidden in plain sight I say. You should be locked up for watching so many sh1tty episodes of Star Trek.

Chances are you live across the street from a school playground and you ordered up some binoculars from amazon.com.
 
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I was about to write "at least @zekko knew when to bail on this one"

Oh well;p
Says the guy who insults my family and accuses me of violence?!? OK, no false allegations there!

Whatever, pedo weirdo. Your unicorn avatar gives it away. What kind of a grown man has a unicorn as an avator? A grown man looking to prey on children, that's what.

Mods: this is sarcasm btw. I don't know if european men in their mid 30's with unicorn avatars are definite pedo's or not. I'm just pointing out that it's extremely suspicious.
 
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Several media sources reported that Michael Jackson had an alarm installed so that he would be given plenty of warning when ppl were approaching his bedroom at Neverland.

He also had a bedroom door lock. Why did he need the extra warning? (Enough time to get dressed)

As an adult, the only time I need to lock my door is when I don't want to be intruded upon, when I am in compromising positions.

MJ would use the alarm, and lock his door, while the kids were in the room with him. He said this was to ensure privacy (so no staff would intrude unexpectedly) however, he was MJ. It would have been AS SIMPLE to instruct the staff that anyone intruding on him would be terminated immediately. He had a forewarning alarm for a reason.

The real takeaway from all of this is - children DO NOT need 'adult friends' ever. If you have an adult whom is trying to befriend your child, just say no.
 
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Finally saw the second part of this, didn't change my impressions much.

I thought the part with Michael's death was sad, pedophile or not. He did represent a lot of good to a lot of people, and sounds like he was charitable. It's good to remember that all people are a mixture of good and bad. Contrast that with James Safechuck's mother, who said she did a dance to celebrate his death, because he wouldn't be hurting any more children. The whole thing seems tragic.

It seems that becoming parents put Wade and James experiences into a new perspective for them. It didn't seem like they were really angry over what happened until they had kids of their own, and realized how they would react to someone doing that to their kids.

Looks like they both resent their mothers for letting that happen to them.

What looks worst for Michael is how there were a long line of kids who ended up accusing him, and they were all about the same age, they all fit the pattern.
 
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Finally saw the second part of this, didn't change my impressions much.

I thought the part with Michael's death was sad, pedophile or not. He did represent a lot of good to a lot of people, and sounds like he was charitable. It's good to remember that all people are a mixture of good and bad. Contrast that with James Safechuck's mother, who said she did a dance to celebrate his death, because he wouldn't be hurting any more children. The whole thing seems tragic.

It seems that becoming parents put Wade and James experiences into a new perspective for them. It didn't seem like they were really angry over what happened until they had kids of their own, and realized how they would react to someone doing that to their kids.

Looks like they both resent their mothers for letting that happen to them.

What looks worst for Michael is how there were a long line of kids who ended up accusing him, and they were all about the same age, they all fit the pattern.
Yeah, the worst part, in my mind, is the complicity of the mothers and how that affects the child's psyche. Not to diminish the abuse - that's absolutely despicable. If that happens on its own it can ruin a person for life. But I can't imagine coupling that with knowing your mother pimped you out for it to happen. I'm glad there's less of a stigma about talking about it, because I think part of the reason abuse was so self-perpetuating (like you said it probably was with MJ) is that there was too much shame around it, or pressure to get into trouble, or the idea that no one would believe it. These two might not have been helped if they'd told their moms when they were kids, but at least now instead of repressing it and possibly repeating the cycle they can talk about it.

An old friend of mine passed away last year. We were friends in high school and college but gradually lost touch over the years. Anyway I was discussing him with a mutual friend recently, and was told by that guy that our deceased friend once confessed to him that he'd been molested at a young age and could never be "okay with it." I had never heard this before and got me wondering how many times I'd made Jacko jokes or other sick jokes in front of him without knowing. Not that I believe in prior restraint when speaking...my point is, I guess one can never know who out there might have gone through it. And I knew this guy pretty well.
 

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I wonder, who molested Michael Jackson
Is that facetious? I honestly have never heard whether it was allegedly the dad, the mom, a brother, or some outsider. Probably some music industry sicko and probably a male. Usually when boys are molested by women they grow up to be serious misogynists (the real kind) like Ted Bundy.
 

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Is that facetious? I honestly have never heard whether it was allegedly the dad, the mom, a brother, or some outsider. Probably some music industry sicko and probably a male. Usually when boys are molested by women they grow up to be serious misogynists (the real kind) like Ted Bundy.
Huh, I didn't know Ted Bundy was molested as a child. Of course that fits.

No, I was being serious. I agree, MJ was most likely put in the position to perform sexual favors in exchange for promotion, sponsorship, industry backing - just like what MJ did with his victims....
 

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Huh, I didn't know Ted Bundy was molested as a child. Of course that fits.
I take that back, I may have been wrong. I read The Stranger Beside Me a few years ago, but I've read a number of other true crime books (and web sites) and may have confused his background with others'. He was born out of wedlock and his grandparents pretended to be his parents, and his mother posed as his sister, for a while. He never knew his father and resented his mother for the deception.
 
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