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7.) You are anything other than black or white. It is what it is man, the number one sought after man is white. Even me as a black guy have accepted there is a good amount of women who wouldn’t date me, no matter what I say.. Brown/Asian/Dark Latinos are going to have an even larger segment of the population who just won’t date you. I apologize, is what it is.
Must be a Baltimore thing and I doubt even that is more of the case. These days ethnic dudes slay. The only reason it might not line up is because you get a lot of FOBBy guys who are not into game or have poor fundamentals but all else being equal? A Latino or brown dude has way more options than a black dude. Black guys are statistically shown to do the worst along with Indian guys on online dating sites.

Race barely matters that much these days to younger women.
 

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QFT, these days Latinos outslay black guys easily and in a lot of parts of the country even white guys.
I do think a lot of that race stuff is regional. Like I doubt I’m going to pull a lot of white girls in Alabama for instance.
 

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Must be a Baltimore thing and I doubt even that is more of the case. These days ethnic dudes slay. The only reason it might not line up is because you get a lot of FOBBy guys who are not into game or have poor fundamentals but all else being equal? A Latino or brown dude has way more options than a black dude. Black guys are statistically shown to do the worst along with Indian guys on online dating sites.

Race barely matters that much these days to younger women.
I mean I guess. I’ve always done well in online and offline dating. Perhaps it’s regional, who knows.

I also know I do security in a stripclub and they are repulsed by Indian guys, even the ones with money. They are strippers, so maybe they don’t count.. but strippers are hot girls after all.
 

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I do think a lot of that race stuff is regional. Like I doubt I’m going to pull a lot of white girls in Alabama for instance.
You'd be surprised, lots of girls in Auburn down for some BBC although it is niche. Latinos slay hard these days though, everywhere. Bishes be on that Narcos time, said the dude who plays Pacho on the show is sexy even though Pacho was known as a gay Narco lol.
 

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I mean I guess, I’ve always done well in online and offline dating. Perhaps it’s regional, who knows.
I mean I am Asian and Maryland chicks don't mind me at all. Had a Hispanic friend (Colombian) in Baltimore that slayed hard too. Maybe it's your circle, who knows.
 

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I mean I am Asian and Maryland chicks don't mind me at all. Had a Hispanic friend (Colombian) in Baltimore that slayed hard too. Maybe it's your circle, who knows.
I think looks play a factor too in race like every race has its ugly guys, their was one Japanese guy who posted in my real life picture thread who I have no doubt would pull any race. Very nice looking guy.

@syche871 while I agree confidence is key, being 5’4 isn’t going to get you really far in LA nightclubs I’m just saying you’d be a bit more limited than some other guys. Accept it, and find other ways to get laid.
 

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weird means she isn’t attracted to you. I can do something and she says it’s “weird” and another guy can do the same thing and it’s “cute” because she is attracted to him..

wealth/career probably is a bigger issue in a relationship than when your just screwing around with a chick.. unless you want to use that status to attract women, which you don’t unless you like gold diggers.
Is that why when I was using OLD more last summer, fall I was getting those post wall HB7 to 9s asking about my career and prodding me? I fudged up my profile a bit about my business and noticed they replied more and focused on career. You might recall that HB9.5 teacher last summer who was digging me, texting my eyes off and drove 60 miles to meet me. Dinner going well UNTIL I told her I owned a small retail business and her attitude did a 360 on me and she immediately lost interest in me, even rolled her eyes and started looking like she wanted to leave. The waiter who was cool, and chatted for awhile before the date when she arrived even looked at me like WTF.

That tells me something right there. And she was a teacher at a very wealth private school probably making 100-115k a year. She drove a toyota I noticed BUT she had a travel addiction as well and complained about money constantly.

We have tons of post wall gold diggers here in Floriduh. Like cute 40 year olds hooking up with 65 year old men. It's sick. Until I get some muscle on me and able to go after pre wall women, granted I will have to look over 60 miles away, then I will have to use my business to attract women since post wall seem to focus more on career versus how much muscle you have.
 

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I think the reason you might have seen black and white men do well is because they valued game more for years. White guys and black guys put more stock into looking good and going out to approach from what I used to see. Immigrant groups who were fresh and new to America valued the party culture less because they could barely afford it due to trying to adjust to life in America. Add to that traditional families not letting them go out often or being on their case.

With newer generations or more assimilated ones, it is less of an issue. I always thought that ethnic dudes were held back by overbearing garbage parents who stunted their social development.

Now you see ethnic dudes who are raised in more free environments going out and gaming without restrictions. I know it is paying off HUGE for Latino guys for sure, they do just as well as white dudes in many parts of the US.
 

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Is that why when I was using OLD more last summer, fall I was getting those post wall HB7 to 9s asking about my career and prodding me? I fudged up my profile a bit about my business and noticed they replied more and focused on career. You might recall that HB9.5 teacher last summer who was digging me, texting my eyes off and drove 60 miles to meet me. Dinner going well UNTIL I told her I owned a small retail business and her attitude did a 360 on me and she immediately lost interest in me, even rolled her eyes and started looking like she wanted to leave. The waiter who was cool, and chatted for awhile before the date when she arrived even looked at me like WTF.

That tells me something right there. And she was a teacher at a very wealth private school probably making 100-115k a year. She drove a toyota I noticed BUT she had a travel addiction as well and complained about money constantly.

We have tons of post wall gold diggers here in Floriduh. Like cute 40 year olds hooking up with 65 year old men. It's sick. Until I get some muscle on me and able to go after pre wall women, granted I will have to look over 60 miles away, then I will have to use my business to attract women since post wall seem to focus more on career versus how much muscle you have.
I mean most guys on this forum aren’t targeting 40 year olds.. even the guys that are in their 40s tend to date younger. At 40 I’d imagine they(women) aren’t looking to f around, they want some type of security in a man. To know he can pay the bills. It’s a different ball game.
if she was 28 and told her you own a small business the reaction would probably be different.

I don’t know why you keep trying to date grandmas. You keep saying everyone in your area is old but that’s not true you just are socially inept and can’t infiltrate the younger social circles so you use OLD as a crutch.
 
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Can we please stop with the blanket statements on what race can get what women. Any good looking guy of any race will be able to get women of different races
 

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Is that why when I was using OLD more last summer, fall I was getting those post wall HB7 to 9s asking about my career and prodding me? I fudged up my profile a bit about my business and noticed they replied more and focused on career. You might recall that HB9.5 teacher last summer who was digging me, texting my eyes off and drove 60 miles to meet me. Dinner going well UNTIL I told her I owned a small retail business and her attitude did a 360 on me and she immediately lost interest in me, even rolled her eyes and started looking like she wanted to leave. The waiter who was cool, and chatted for awhile before the date when she arrived even looked at me like WTF.

That tells me something right there. And she was a teacher at a very wealth private school probably making 100-115k a year. She drove a toyota I noticed BUT she had a travel addiction as well and complained about money constantly.

We have tons of post wall gold diggers here in Floriduh. Like cute 40 year olds hooking up with 65 year old men. It's sick. Until I get some muscle on me and able to go after pre wall women, granted I will have to look over 60 miles away, then I will have to use my business to attract women since post wall seem to focus more on career versus how much muscle you have.
I also want to tell you, online dating is dead. It reached its peak in 2017, slowly started to fizzle out and by mid 2019 it died. The only people still using OLD are incels, gold diggers looking to take advantage of the incels, scammers and bots.

go home the f*ck outside..talk to real girls in person
 

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I have to say, the one thing that impresses me the most about Black and to a degree Latino men is the alpha demeanor. I still think other races have a lot to learn but in social settings, a black guy is not taking any sh-t from a bullish white dude and I have known even the toughest of white guys to scare off from an angry black man. Same with a latino, not taking that nonsense.

Asians and Indians kiss up too much to whites and it might get them the model minority status but for Asians, it gets us cucked a lot.
 

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I also want to tell you, online dating is dead. It reached its peak in 2017, slowly started to fizzle out and by mid 2019 it died. The only people still using OLD are incels, gold diggers looking to take advantage of the incels, scammers and bots.

go home the f*ck outside..talk to real girls in person
I still think OLD is okay in large cities with younger population. My home town of St. Louis County, MO I can go on Match and within a 10 mile radius of my old zipcode find all kinds of decent looking women under 35. No kids, never married, college educated, healthy AND don't have those stupid qualifiers on their profiles. Same with post wall up there too. Overall hundred times more women up there, a lot more attractive and less damaged goods. We have population down here but the median age is about 15 years older so the OLD pool is a lot smaller and the women are more damaged and fatter.

But yes, pre wall women on OLD in this area, especially under 30 not very many and the ones you do see are very nasty looking and fat and covered with tats.

So I target the post wall women on OLD because they're hotter than the land whale 30 year olds on OLD and less tats.

I find the women around me to generally be fatter down here and covered in tats more. Nowhere near as attractive as the major city I lived in.

I think OLD died due to all the smart phones now. It makes it easier to use OLD now versus having to sit down in front if your computer which required more work but also weeded out a lot too. I remember even 5 years ago you didn't have to put much effort into writing messaged and you'd get replies back.
 

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I still think OLD is okay in large cities with younger population. My home town of St. Louis County, MO I can go on Match and within a 10 mile radius of my old zipcode find all kinds of decent looking women under 35. No kids, never married, college educated, healthy AND don't have those stupid qualifiers on their profiles. Same with post wall up there too. Overall hundred times more women up there, a lot more attractive and less damaged goods. We have population down here but the median age is about 15 years older so the OLD pool is a lot smaller and the women are more damaged and fatter.

But yes, pre wall women on OLD in this area, especially under 30 not very many and the ones you do see are very nasty looking and fat and covered with tats.

So I target the post wall women on OLD because they're hotter than the land whale 30 year olds on OLD and less tats.

I find the women around me to generally be fatter down here and covered in tats more. Nowhere near as attractive as the major city I lived in.

I think OLD died due to all the smart phones now. It makes it easier to use OLD now versus having to sit down in front if your computer which required more work but also weeded out a lot too. I remember even 5 years ago you didn't have to put much effort into writing messaged and you'd get replies back.
You’re missing the point. There is no city in America where their aren’t attractive 30 year olds. It may be less in your town, but never the less Go the f*ck out more.
You have a terrible habit of ruminating .. OLD is like all you think about. Or are you trolling us?
 

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You’re missing the point. There is no city in America where their aren’t attractive 30 year olds. It may be less in your town, but never the less Go the f*ck out more.
You have a terrible habit of ruminating .. OLD is like all you think about. Or are you trolling us?
Last 8 dates have all been off OLD. 6 of them were HB7.5 on up.
 

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OP needs to remove the "social circle" component from his description. Looks and height are probably the least important factors. In fact outside of some club environments and OLD more generally social dominance is everything and largely a result social skills / status.

But maybe it depends on your circle. Amongst my friends the general consensus is that women stop caring about looks once they graduate high school. In the real world money and status (power) are far more important. The man at the top of any dominance hierarchy will never lack for women no matter how physically unattractive he may be.

My friends are doctors, lawyers, software developers, bankers, surveyors, etc. and many of us associate with big money men (e.g. premier league footballers) so it's fair to say we have seen it all.

I can see why if you spent half of your day as a club bouncer, as OP does you might have a more skewed perspective.

Raw attraction is status , looks, money in that order.

But enough money can more or less guarantee you the first and help tremendously with the second.
 

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I still think OLD is okay in large cities with younger population. My home town of St. Louis County, MO I can go on Match and within a 10 mile radius of my old zipcode find all kinds of decent looking women under 35. No kids, never married, college educated, healthy AND don't have those stupid qualifiers on their profiles. Same with post wall up there too. Overall hundred times more women up there, a lot more attractive and less damaged goods. We have population down here but the median age is about 15 years older so the OLD pool is a lot smaller and the women are more damaged and fatter.

But yes, pre wall women on OLD in this area, especially under 30 not very many and the ones you do see are very nasty looking and fat and covered with tats.

So I target the post wall women on OLD because they're hotter than the land whale 30 year olds on OLD and less tats.

I find the women around me to generally be fatter down here and covered in tats more. Nowhere near as attractive as the major city I lived in.

I think OLD died due to all the smart phones now. It makes it easier to use OLD now versus having to sit down in front if your computer which required more work but also weeded out a lot too. I remember even 5 years ago you didn't have to put much effort into writing messaged and you'd get replies back.
I don't see how it's possible that the median age where you live is 50, the post-wall women are hot but the 30 year olds are fat and ugly. Am I missing something? It sounds like you live in the Twilight Zone.

And this may be the first time I've seen someone wax about the good old days of OLD on the computer, lol. Like the OP said, you need to get out more. I'm glad it's working for you but I don't get how a 35 year old guy can get excited dating 40+ women.
 

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I think women like strong legs & buttocks in a man because they can imagine such a man being a powerful pumper. :cool:
I never thought about it that way. You just made me feel way more confident haha.
 

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Is that why when I was using OLD more last summer, fall I was getting those post wall HB7 to 9s asking about my career and prodding me? I fudged up my profile a bit about my business and noticed they replied more and focused on career. You might recall that HB9.5 teacher last summer who was digging me, texting my eyes off and drove 60 miles to meet me. Dinner going well UNTIL I told her I owned a small retail business and her attitude did a 360 on me and she immediately lost interest in me, even rolled her eyes and started looking like she wanted to leave. The waiter who was cool, and chatted for awhile before the date when she arrived even looked at me like WTF.

That tells me something right there. And she was a teacher at a very wealth private school probably making 100-115k a year. She drove a toyota I noticed BUT she had a travel addiction as well and complained about money constantly.

We have tons of post wall gold diggers here in Floriduh. Like cute 40 year olds hooking up with 65 year old men. It's sick. Until I get some muscle on me and able to go after pre wall women, granted I will have to look over 60 miles away, then I will have to use my business to attract women since post wall seem to focus more on career versus how much muscle you have.
In a relationship you dont want muscle or money in the gauge in that companionship, you would want a loving playfully respectful, admiration with each other, pure attraction. If a girl start to ask about your career in 1 minute of your conversation youll know she is just a meat. Thats all you need to know. Stop looking for a gjrl and start looking at yourself. Made yourself functional, having a hobby, enjoying life, get better prospect in earning and wealth.
 

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I don't see how it's possible that the median age where you live is 50, the post-wall women are hot but the 30 year olds are fat and ugly. Am I missing something? It sounds like you live in the Twilight Zone.

And this may be the first time I've seen someone wax about the good old days of OLD on the computer, lol. Like the OP said, you need to get out more. I'm glad it's working for you but I don't get how a 35 year old guy can get excited dating 40+ women.
Dude it is 55.9 and 55 for the county to my north. The city I live in within my county is 66.7. I'm seriously not lying dude. From then census.

The large county to my south isnt much better at 50 for median age. My city is called one of the best cities to retire in for a reason.

But yes the ones under 30 heavier.

A hot normal girl who's 23 years old doesn't need old because she still has friends from hs and college.

In this area of FL if you're 65 and single you'd clean up big time down here.
 
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