The greatest asset you have to attract women is your physique

[Pierce.Manhammer]

For the sake of discussion:

Those of you who claim that being muscular and low bf isn’t a big factor in a woman’s attraction for a man: is it safe to assume you are not muscular and low bf?

 

[Pierce.Manhammer]

Absolutely - just had an old plate (with easily the hottest body I’ve ever seen on a mature woman ever) booty call to which I responded happily.

The physiological reaction a top shelf attractive woman engenders in a man is ridiculous.

The greatest asset you have to attract women is your physique

Same goes for women. At least to me. See too many guys taking Ls settling with fat women. They'll never understand seeing a low body fat woman where everything sits right. And it gets better when she has nice supple tits. You can tell bad tits from good ones based on how soft and full they feel in your hand.

 

[Slowhandluke]

This is cope imo. Sometimes guys just have magic sauce

To be honest, I've rarely met a couple that was "unbalanced". However, I did meet an average skinny guy with a very hot blonde gf. It was through a basketball league. He drove a beatup pickup truck -- very old. He was always smiling and very cheerful when we drank afterwards as a team. It always made me wonder what his girlfriend saw in him.. why he was so confident (but yet humble), etc.. And other women seem drawn to him - they would watch us play.

He was at that time working for a non-profit so he didn't really make a lot of money. It wasn't until the end of the season, he asked me to join is campaign that he was forming to get elected to some local ward/ aldermen or something. He also invited me to visit his friend who was a local politician who also liked to play basketball. I can't remember for what position in his campaign, but I said no because I was a conservative and he was going to run as a democrat. I think he wanted a minority face in his campaign. I'm not white.

Three years later, he ran for a state wide office. I googled his name and found out he was the son of a billionaire. Putting more pieces together, I found out his "local politician" friend was most likely Obama since at the time he mention his friend was black and a senator; and to my ears, had a funny sounding name. Yes, this was a while ago.

Without knowing all of this, I would have thought the skinny guy had "magic sauce" too.. but knowing his background, the "magic sauce" was being from a wealthy family and political connections... Like I said, there usually is a balance in relationship pairings. If you don't know the backstory to a coupling, it might look like "magic sauce", but it rarely happens. I'm not saying it doesn't, but it rarely does and to be honest, I can't really think of any unbalanced coupling right now on the top of my head.

 

[Fortune_favors_the_bold]

When I said that "the more the best" wasnt the meaning, I imagined it was clear that I was referring to roided men that look like he-man (the plastic toy not even the movie character).

Guess the new thread will be about the importance of being able to understand obvious messages.

"The greates asset you have to attract women is your physique but dont forget to understand what people tells you cause thats also important".

 

[patb]

At the end of the day, the dating market is pretty efficient. Attractive people pair up with equally attractive people. If one person is ugly and the other isn't, the ugly person makes it up by being successful or personably (which most of the time leads to them being successful), etc.. That has been my observations with couples that I know in real life.

Just world fallacy, and not falsifiable.

 

[SargeMaximus]

To be honest, I've rarely met a couple that was "unbalanced". However, I did meet an average skinny guy with a very hot blonde gf. It was through a basketball league. He drove a beatup pickup truck -- very old. He was always smiling and very cheerful when we drank afterwards as a team. It always made me wonder what his girlfriend saw in him.. why he was so confident (but yet humble), etc.. And other women seem drawn to him - they would watch us play.

He was at that time working for a non-profit so he didn't really make a lot of money. It wasn't until the end of the season, he asked me to join is campaign that he was forming to get elected to some local ward/ aldermen or something. He also invited me to visit his friend who was a local politician who also liked to play basketball. I can't remember for what position in his campaign, but I said no because I was a conservative and he was going to run as a democrat. I think he wanted a minority face in his campaign. I'm not white.

Three years later, he ran for a state wide office. I googled his name and found out he was the son of a billionaire. Putting more pieces together, I found out his "local politician" friend was most likely Obama since at the time he mention his friend was black and a senator; and to my ears, had a funny sounding name. Yes, this was a while ago.

Without knowing all of this, I would have thought the skinny guy had "magic sauce" too.. but knowing his background, the "magic sauce" was being from a wealthy family and political connections... Like I said, there usually is a balance in relationship pairings. If you don't know the backstory to a coupling, it might look like "magic sauce", but it rarely happens. I'm not saying it doesn't, but it rarely does and to be honest, I can't really think of any unbalanced coupling right now on the top of my head.

I doubt my guy is the son of a billionaire and also shopping at the grocery store I shop at

 

[Slowhandluke]

I doubt my guy is the son of a billionaire and also shopping at the grocery store I shop at

How do you know? Maybe it's the type of wealthy people that my personality attracts, but almost every wealthy person I have met, they didn't act wealthy. A lot dressed down and didn't drive fancy cars. In a way, trying to hide their wealth.

On the other hand, most people that I met who "put on airs" of being well off -- the house, the cars, the watch etc.. weren't actually wealthy or successful. They spent a high portion of their paycheck trying to keep up appearances.

Now that you made me think about this topic, I do notice a lot of wealthy guys (even though they hide their success/ wealth/ family linage, etc.), a lot of them have very attractive gfs. Strange...

 

[FlexpertHamilton]

For the sake of discussion:

Those of you who claim that being muscular and low bf isn’t a big factor in a woman’s attraction for a man: is it safe to assume you are not muscular and low bf?

Last summer I was pretty jacked, without question the most I've ever been in my life. I'd frequently jog/walk to my gym through a crowded downtown area in a tank top and shorts. Women would absolutely give me more attention but only if I had the right presence of mind. There were plenty of times where I was in headspace that made me completely invisible to them.

Here's the facts: both of these things matter, and I truly believe great looks/physique is highly synergistic (force multiplier) with your presence, but either one of these things on their own won't do much for you... Your looks can make you considerably more desirable but if you have no social skills, negative mood, etc, you will have very limited success. And you can be the most charismatic, charming, funny, dominant guy ever but if you're fat, short, etc you will have a harder time, period.

 

[Pierce.Manhammer]

Last summer I was pretty jacked, without question the most I've ever been in my life. I'd frequently jog/walk to my gym through a crowded downtown area in a tank top and shorts. Women would absolutely give me more attention but only if I had the right presence of mind. There were plenty of times where I was in headspace that made me completely invisible to them.

Here's the facts: both of these things matter, and I truly believe great looks/physique is highly synergistic (force multiplier) with your presence, but either one of these things on their own won't do much for you... Your looks can make you considerably more desirable but if you have no social skills, negative mood, etc, you will have very limited success. And you can be the most charismatic, charming, funny, dominant guy ever but if you're fat, short, etc you will have a harder time, period.

The trick most of the time is just to get the initial interest, if she’s already thinking about how you look naked you’re leagues ahead. Only guys who’ve not been jacked will be naysayers to this.

Of course you’re not going to get laid if you’re a dolt. It goes without saying.

 

[Kotaix]

physique isn't just about attracting women. Being fit will give you a leg up when it comes to business as well, as long as you're not a total bro douche.

 

[Deranged]

Last summer I was pretty jacked, without question the most I've ever been in my life. I'd frequently jog/walk to my gym through a crowded downtown area in a tank top and shorts. Women would absolutely give me more attention but only if I had the right presence of mind. There were plenty of times where I was in headspace that made me completely invisible to them.

I have experienced this myself and understand what you're describing, but can you go into more detail as to what's going on here. Is this basically an outcome of your focused attention? Momentarily (duration of the workout in this case) in the zone to the extent that nothing exogenous garners your attention, so you're not mindful of sexual attraction? Then other times you allow the thoughts and/or hormones take control - pvssy is now trying to consume the mind- so your thoughts are divided between your current task and being on the hunt/looking for opportunity, therefore creating opportunity?

 

[SargeMaximus]

How do you know? Maybe it's the type of wealthy people that my personality attracts, but almost every wealthy person I have met, they didn't act wealthy. A lot dressed down and didn't drive fancy cars. In a way, trying to hide their wealth.

On the other hand, most people that I met who "put on airs" of being well off -- the house, the cars, the watch etc.. weren't actually wealthy or successful. They spent a high portion of their paycheck trying to keep up appearances.

Now that you made me think about this topic, I do notice a lot of wealthy guys (even though they hide their success/ wealth/ family linage, etc.), a lot of them have very attractive gfs. Strange...

I also hide my wealth.

 

[FlexpertHamilton]

How do you know? Maybe it's the type of wealthy people that my personality attracts, but almost every wealthy person I have met, they didn't act wealthy. A lot dressed down and didn't drive fancy cars. In a way, trying to hide their wealth.

On the other hand, most people that I met who "put on airs" of being well off -- the house, the cars, the watch etc.. weren't actually wealthy or successful. They spent a high portion of their paycheck trying to keep up appearances.

Now that you made me think about this topic, I do notice a lot of wealthy guys (even though they hide their success/ wealth/ family linage, etc.), a lot of them have very attractive gfs. Strange...

I'm not wealthy but I have friends who are, one has net worth in the millions, he just wears pants and a black t shirt and sneakers, though he does drive nice cars. Most people who try to "look rich" are obviously full of ****. Real wealth is definitely more subtle, sometimes you can tell just by how someone carries themself.

I have experienced this myself and understand what you're describing, but can you go into more detail as to what's going on here. Is this basically an outcome of your focused attention? Momentarily (duration of the workout in this case) in the zone to the extent that nothing exogenous garners your attention, so you're not mindful of sexual attraction? Then other times you allow the thoughts and/or hormones take control - pvssy is now trying to consume the mind- so your thoughts are divided between your current task and being on the hunt/looking for opportunity, therefore creating opportunity?

Pretty much - women will pick up on thirst/validation seeking and being outwardly focused (scanning environment, concerned with others approval etc). If they sense you're at peace with yourself and "on your path/purpose" they'll be drawn to you, this is nothing new. I think guys believe they can fool them and "fake" it but you simply cannot. Women can pick up on the most elusive incongruencies in your behavior.

 

[Pierce.Manhammer]

It’s funny but true - for the bulk of my life I was a 3%’er. I’m comfortable now, but I live relatively humbly and have downsized my financial footprint substantially in order to pursue things that are important to me.

My experience in dating validates most of what’s been said above, which boils down to you cannot buy class. You either possess it or you don’t.

Women I meet almost always think I’m affluent, when I’m fact they almost always now out earn me by a good margin. Still it works.

 

[SW15]

To be honest, I've rarely met a couple that was "unbalanced". However, I did meet an average skinny guy with a very hot blonde gf.

If you don't know the backstory to a coupling, it might look like "magic sauce", but it rarely happens. I'm not saying it doesn't, but it rarely does and to be honest, I can't really think of any unbalanced coupling right now on the top of my head.

I know of a greatly unbalanced couple in my social circle. They formed as a result of watching sports in a bar when both were fans of the same team. The woman is physically attractive but was pushing 30 when they met and the man was/is a beta male. She also has a demanding type career, so that's more masculine energy than feminine energy. They ended up getting married. I've barely interacted with the two parts of this couple, but they have had some substantial interactions with some of my friends and other acquaintances. The guy looks like a dweeb and the woman is borderline cute/hot. In terms of looks alone, she's at least 2.5 points higher than he is on a looks alone rating scale. I perceive that at least 1 of the following 3 reasons applies to their relationship and would help explain why they are together.

• He is rich
• He has a big penis
• She is a hotwife who is permitted to have sex with other men

She had a "last call" type baby with him in her mid-30s in 2022. If none of the reasons above apply, I perceive that she settled for the beta bucks side of her hypergamy because she couldn't get a commitment from a true alpha despite her good looks. She might squeeze out one more baby before 40, but it is doubtful that she's going to enjoy the next 18-20 years with some boring, dweebish looking beta bucks guy. She will be the classic late 30s/40 something MILF.

 

[Deranged]

Pretty much - women will pick up on thirst/validation seeking and being outwardly focused (scanning environment, concerned with others approval etc).

In this scenario you'll miss opportunity because of thirst. But the potential was not there to begin with due to mindset.

If they sense you're at peace with yourself and "on your path/purpose" they'll be drawn to you, this is nothing new. I think guys believe they can fool them and "fake" it but you simply cannot. Women can pick up on the most elusive incongruencies in your behavior.

In this scenario you'll miss opportunity because you lack thirst. But the potential was there begin with due to mindset.

 

[FlexpertHamilton]

In this scenario you'll miss opportunity because you lack thirst. But the potential was there begin with due to mindset.

I mean, probably. It pains me to realize how many missed opportunities I've had due to sheer indifference.

 

[PlatoPacks23]

would people agree "strength" matters a lot more than body fat %? I think being skinny w. low body fat % is signficantly worse than being like 17-18% body fat but a lot bigger/bulky looking

 

[Fortune_favors_the_bold]

would people agree "strength" matters a lot more than body fat %? I think being skinny w. low body fat % is signficantly worse than being like 17-18% body fat but a lot bigger/bulky looking

It depends where your fat is stored but generally the bulky guy is perceived as better than the weak one with low bf and abs.

Also 17-18% bodyfat altough far from optimal is still within the decent range if you are muscular and well shaped.

 

[kzar_kzar]

I'm not wealthy but I have friends who are, one has net worth in the millions, he just wears pants and a black t shirt and sneakers, though he does drive nice cars. Most people who try to "look rich" are obviously full of ****. Real wealth is definitely more subtle, sometimes you can tell just by how someone carries themself.



Pretty much - women will pick up on thirst/validation seeking and being outwardly focused (scanning environment, concerned with others approval etc). If they sense you're at peace with yourself and "on your path/purpose" they'll be drawn to you, this is nothing new. I think guys believe they can fool them and "fake" it but you simply cannot. Women can pick up on the most elusive incongruencies in your behavior.

True, whenever I am at peace and enjoying myself I see girls getting drawn towards me.
Hell recently, I said fu*k it I'm just gonna go sit alone at a resto to enjoy myself solo, and a promoter girl came to me and I got her contact etc.
So yeah being you is best, stop trying so hard. At the end it's about socialising, being out there.