rawson-1992
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Thinking about purchasing 'The Game' by Neill Strauss. Is it worth a read?
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
I'm certain that there were books on attracting women even when I was growing up, which were the 60s and 70s. I don't think they were mainstream though, guys would probably be embarrassed to buy such a book from the local book store back then.Espi said:The Game changed my perception about women. It opened my eyes. Prior to reading that book, I had no idea that such a community of PUA's even existed. I was in my 30's when that book came out and my only complaint is, What took a guy so dam long to write something like this?
I think it's a difficult read also. Mainly because it's so damn boring. Not saying it's bad, it's just kind of dull. I didn't find any of the characters particularly likeable, there was no one to root for, if you know what I mean.sylvester the cat said:I found this a very difficult book to read. I don't know why. Probably because of the transition from blue to red thinking.
Yes now that you mention it, that is what I felt. Dull.zekko said:I'm certain that there were books on attracting women even when I was growing up, which were the 60s and 70s. I don't think they were mainstream though, guys would probably be embarrassed to buy such a book from the local book store back then.
I seem to recall seeing such books in the back of porno mags like Hustler or Penthouse or whatever. I never read one, so I don't know if they were really geared toward "pickup" or regular dating, or if the information in them was any good, or what.
I think it's a difficult read also. Mainly because it's so damn boring. Not saying it's bad, it's just kind of dull. I didn't find any of the characters particularly likeable, there was no one to root for, if you know what I mean.
Interesting. I was very recently contemplating the sheer size of the pickup industry today, the absurdity of men willing to shell out in the thousands to have a guy coach them how to pick up women over the course of a few days, how it's linked to feminism, but more closely tied to what you wrote, when did this sort of thing begin to germinate? I mean, at what point did it begin to cross over from "just go over there and talk to her" to seduction techniques like "negging"? And I know we have "advice" reaching as far back as, say, Ovid ("If you want to be loved, be lovable"), but when did the systematization of seduction more or less begin?zekko said:I'm certain that there were books on attracting women even when I was growing up, which were the 60s and 70s. I don't think they were mainstream though, guys would probably be embarrassed to buy such a book from the local book store back then.
Good question. I really think that probably as long as there have been women, there have been men trying to figure out how to get with them. "Look, you grab her by the hair like this, and drag her into the cave like this..."Between_The_Lines said:when did the systematization of seduction more or less begin?
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
lol @ the caveman line. I've browsed through the Game, but never given it a proper cover to cover reading. You're right, the writing wasn't exactly captivating from what I remember.zekko said:Good question. I really think that probably as long as there have been women, there have been men trying to figure out how to get with them. "Look, you grab her by the hair like this, and drag her into the cave like this..."
I remember hearing most of the advice on here or some variation of it at least when I was growing up. We went out and tried to pick up women. I don't recall ever thinking of it as being a "system" though. You just went out there with what you had, your looks and your personality, and hoped that she dug you. And if you wanted something, you had to go and get it, you had to take your shot. But it probably didn't get really "systemized" until the internet came around.
Most of the "system" just gathers information that was already there. The only newish concepts that I don't remember from growing up are "negs" and "sh!t tests".
I think a member of speed seduction. That was SS back in the day.Espi said:I have read somewhere that Strauss was a member here on SS. Anybody know if it's true?
Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.
Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers. Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.
I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.