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Is that it's common "advice" on the internet to pick something from her profile and send something "interesting" to her in the first message. This might be a personal anecdote but I've noticed I get way more replies if I just send a simple "hey" instead.

People on the internet always say "hey" is boring but I get way more replies by doing that. Sending an interesting message based on her profile only got me a 10% reply rate while a simple "hey" got me a 40% reply rate

The few women who replied to the interesting message were just looking for online chat buddies anyways, a third of the ones who replied to "hey" actually wanted to meet up.

Has anyone else observed this on OLD?
 

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Is that it's common "advice" on the internet to pick something from her profile and send something "interesting" to her in the first message. This might be a personal anecdote but I've noticed I get way more replies if I just send a simple "hey" instead.

People on the internet always say "hey" is boring but I get way more replies by doing that. Sending an interesting message based on her profile only got me a 10% reply rate while a simple "hey" got me a 40% reply rate

The few women who replied to the interesting message were just looking for online chat buddies anyways, a third of the ones who replied to "hey" actually wanted to meet up.

Has anyone else observed this on OLD?
Agreed. I never bother with targeted openers, they are a waste of time. The girl will either like your pics or she won’t. You can’t make her like you with a creative opener.
 

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It seems to me that a personalized opener that clearly required some effort is a terrible way to show value...it implies that what you show is not enough to get a reply and that you're fine wasting time with no certainity of getting a reply.

The guy opening with a "hi" is basically saying "not sure if you reply or not, either case if you want some effort from me you need to give something back".
 

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Agreed. I never bother with targeted openers, they are a waste of time. The girl will either like your pics or she won’t. You can’t make her like you with a creative opener.
Also women have very short attention spans, she probably doesn't even bother reading the creative openers. I do notice women at least read my profile and make comments based on what I put in the bio.

It seems to me that a personalized opener that clearly required some effort is a terrible way to show value...it implies that what you show is not enough to get a reply and that you're fine wasting time with no certainity of getting a reply.

The guy opening with a "hi" is basically saying "not sure if you reply or not, either case if you want some effort from me you need to give something back".
I agree with that, the Hi shows high value. I even feel like women lose attraction if the guy makes a long and creative first message.
 

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Is that it's common "advice" on the internet to pick something from her profile and send something "interesting" to her in the first message. This might be a personal anecdote but I've noticed I get way more replies if I just send a simple "hey" instead.

People on the internet always say "hey" is boring but I get way more replies by doing that. Sending an interesting message based on her profile only got me a 10% reply rate while a simple "hey" got me a 40% reply rate

The few women who replied to the interesting message were just looking for online chat buddies anyways, a third of the ones who replied to "hey" actually wanted to meet up.

Has anyone else observed this on OLD?
Bingo. If you show interest in her, and that you've actually read her profile, then you're already simping.

Women want men who aren't interested in her. For a woman to experience burning desire, she must feel like she is chasing a man who is above her in value. If you are showing interest in her then, unfortunately, you're already revealing that you view her as an equal. (Note to the Autists - this does not mean that you act like an as$hole either and make it really clear that you're "not" interested in her. You just play aloof and non-needy. It's as simple as that).

My opener for every single woman online is "Hello (name)" - that's it. Chick thinks "why isn't this guy putting any effort into his opener" and the hamster wheel starts spinning. It's insane. I've experimented with this a lot and I've discovered that it's better for you to put out a simple opener, and then gauge the interest-levels in her response. From there I ramp up to getting her number and putting in a quick 15 min phone call to get the vibe going, then immediately move to logistics and planning a meet. If she's not biting the bait then she gets next'ed.
 
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I spent this summer sending at least 30 personalised openers, for exactly zero result before i gave up.

The women, simps and white knights on the internet who tell you to write personalised openers and put effort into talking are, as usual, talking about the world they would like to exist. They are not talking about the world we exist in. In the real world, what matters is whether she thinks youre hot enough or not. I agree with WDW that you will not raise but lower your smv in her eyes by putting effort in.

If i could do it again, every message would just be "hey". Ironically, that's what my last message was that got a response before i deleted the app.
 
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I spent this summer sending at least 30 personalised openers, for exactly zero result before i gave up.

The women, simps and white knights on the internet who tell you to write personalised openers and put effort into talking are, as usual, talking about the world they would like to exist. They are not talking about the world we exist in. In the real world, what matters is whether she thinks youre hot enough or not. I agree with WDW that you are far more likely to lower than raise your smv in her eyes by putting effort in.

If i could do it again, every message would just be "hey". Ironically, that's what my last message was that got a response before i deleted the app.
Wow. You've come a long way man. Nice to see you breaking the bluepill shackles. I hope Greta Thunberg doesn't see your posts or she will cancel you.
 

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Bingo. If you show interest in her, and that you've actually read her profile, then you're already simping.

Women want men who aren't interested in her. For a woman to experience burning desire, she must feel like she is chasing a man who i above her in value. If you are showing interest in her then, unfortunately, you're already revealing that you view her as an equal. (Note to the Autists - this does not mean that you act like an as$hole either and make it really clear that you're "not" interested in her. You just play aloof and non-needy. It's as simple as that).

My opener for every single woman online is "Hello (name)" - that's it. Chick thinks "why isn't this guy putting any effort into his opener" and the hamster wheel starts spinning. It's insane. I've experimented with this a lot and I've discovered that it's better for you to put out a simple opener, and then gauge the interest-levels in her response. From there I ramp up to getting her number and putting in a quick 15 min phone call to get the vibe going, then immediately move to logistics and planning a meet. If she's not biting the bait then she gets next'ed.
That's exactly what works, go for the number and call them. Too many guys spend way too much time texting and "getting to know them" that they are confused when the girl ghosts them after they asked for a meetup.

I spent this summer sending at least 30 personalised openers, for exactly zero result before i gave up.

The women, simps and white knights on the internet who tell you to write personalised openers and put effort into talking are, as usual, talking about the world they would like to exist. They are not talking about the world we exist in. In the real world, what matters is whether she thinks youre hot enough or not.

If i could do it again, every message would just be "hey". Ironically, that's what my last message was that got a response before i deleted the app.
They also tell guys not to ask for numbers/dates "too soon". This is why men need to avoid places like reddit for "advice".

I've seen guys on reddit who spend weeks sometimes even months texting a girl before asking to meetup, of course in the comments everyone's cheers him on.

They also tell guys to put effort in their profile with professional photos and a well written bio, they even say have a photo with friends even though girls are here to date you not your friends.
 

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That's exactly what works, go for the number and call them. Too many guys spend way too much time texting and "getting to know them" that they are confused when the girl ghosts them after they asked for a meetup.



They also tell guys not to ask for numbers/dates "too soon". This is why men need to avoid places like reddit for "advice".

I've seen guys on reddit who spend weeks sometimes even months texting a girl before asking to meetup, of course in the comments everyone's cheers him on.

They also tell guys to put effort in their profile with professional photos and a well written bio, they even say have a photo with friends even though girls are here to date you not your friends.
Do this - After your opener, and a few text exchanges, just send her your number and leave it up to her to text you. If she texts you, then reply and set up a call. It is the ultimate compliance test. Asking for a chick's number is giving her an opportunity to say "I need to get to know you more first."
 

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I'll never forget an immortal comment I read on a Heartiste blog post back in the early days of RedPill:

"Imagine for a moment how much it would suck to be a woman. You can only get turned on when someone is mean to you."

My life changed forever after reading that comment.
 

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I'll never forget an immortal comment I read on a Heartiste blog post back in the early days of RedPill:

"Imagine for a moment how much it would suck to be a woman. You can only get turned on when someone is mean to you."

My life changed forever after reading that comment.
Being mean to her is a really good way to gauge her interest levels, if she cares she will respond and if you mean nothing to her she will just ignore you.

Do this - After your opener, and a few text exchanges, just send her your number and leave it up to her to text you. If she texts you, then reply and set up a call. It is the ultimate compliance test. Asking for a chick's number is giving her an opportunity to say "I need to get to know you more first."
That's the thing I've been missing, I haven't given them my number or tried to call them. I'm going to have to give this method ago to see what results i get
 

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What are you guys thoughts on asking for her number, but she counter offers with a chat through Zoom before shell give out her real number? I havent taken up any of them on the offer and my instinct is to just next them because theyre trying to control the frame.
 

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Nice, Ive always gone for the number after 3-4 exchanges and just next if they dont comply. Ive never fallen for that need to get to know you bs.
Same here man Even before the red pill, i would always tell them that the whole point of a date is to get to know someone.

Do these girls really have nothing better to do all day then text strangers on a dating app? You would think they at least had some hobbies or interests.
 

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So I go on and off OLD every now and then.

Each time I try to do something different and see if results change.
The most recent time, I gave myself one week to score a date and after one week was up I delete the app.
This time all I said to a match was send my number. No hello, just the number. A few girls texted right back on WhatsApp. A few said "No you text me first" followed by their number (No thanks).

After a few texting exchanges, I asked them out for drinks/coffee. None resulted in a date.
 

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So I go on and off OLD every now and then.

Each time I try to do something different and see if results change.
The most recent time, I gave myself one week to score a date and after one week was up I delete the app.
This time all I said to a match was send my number. No hello, just the number. A few girls texted right back on WhatsApp. A few said "No you text me first" followed by their number (No thanks).

After a few texting exchanges, I asked them out for drinks/coffee. None resulted in a date.
Have you tried calling them after getting the number?

I have the same results as you, tons of matches but almost none actually result in a date.

There was one girl that was keen to meetup, but refused to give her number. Pretty suspicious if you ask me
 

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So I go on and off OLD every now and then.

Each time I try to do something different and see if results change.
The most recent time, I gave myself one week to score a date and after one week was up I delete the app.
This time all I said to a match was send my number. No hello, just the number. A few girls texted right back on WhatsApp. A few said "No you text me first" followed by their number (No thanks).

After a few texting exchanges, I asked them out for drinks/coffee. None resulted in a date.
I like your no bullsh1t, no fvcks given attitude.
 
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