"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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Texting, Then Silence...

finickywake

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So I've gotten a few numbers the past week & a half. First I want to explain: I'm really new to this in certain ways. A.) I used to drink a fifth of whiskey a day (which established a very different lifestyle, self-image, mannerisms, frame, etc...) B.) I'm a few weeks out of a relationship with a girl I was seeing off & on for years who is BPD (e.g., she once sliced her wrists open in front of me, and cut me in the process, flailing wildly about; I could provide numerous examples, but I'd rather not). When with her, during off periods, I never once had an issue finding another girl or two. But I was drinking then.

This is the problem I've had this past week: girls will text me, show high interest, send pictures, even go as far as asking "when are we gonna hang out!?". As soon as I say, "this time, this place" it's dead silence. I don't want to text back after not hearing their response. I was wondering if you all could point me to some reading on texting or provide concrete examples of the types of conversations you guys have in text before asking for the date/setting it up. And also give me an idea of what I can do with them the first time we hang out that doesn't involve drinking. Furthermore, is it better to offer to pick them up or to meet them somewhere in public first?

I have to laugh at all of this because I seriously have no idea what the F is going on. It all used to just seem to happen naturally. I never 'dated' before. I just met girls and soon enough found them at my place or at me at theirs. Now it feels forced (sober), it feels like I'm just another average joe trying to 'date', and like there's effort required (majority of which I don't want to put in), and perhaps I somehow exude that in texts? I'm pretty slow to reply, short & direct, I don't text any more than they do, and I don't really beat around the bush either. I'm not flirty, I think that's the issue maybe[?]. I don't know how to text-flirt, or I don't know how to use 'smileys' properly or something.

I feel like silence is worse than flat out saying no, at least then they'd have provided a ****ing response!

Input, advice, links, etc... much appreciated.
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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^^^ that's a good thread, but if I read OP correctly he isn't even getting the first date.

Finicky, are you OLD? If so, keep the pre-date request contact light and flirty. Then, when you are ready, CALL her and ask her out. Have a firm day, place and time ready. Make a little small talk, then invite her out. I like to say "I want to go to cool place on Thursday and I want you to come. Are you free at 7pm?".

Harry Wilmington has some good material on this topic at stoplosingwomen.com.
 

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That thread you linked provided some insight. I actually just had one of the girls text me back and wants to meet up friday. I'm 25, so no I'm not too old.
 
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