"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Texting, Then Silence...

finickywake

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So I've gotten a few numbers the past week & a half. First I want to explain: I'm really new to this in certain ways. A.) I used to drink a fifth of whiskey a day (which established a very different lifestyle, self-image, mannerisms, frame, etc...) B.) I'm a few weeks out of a relationship with a girl I was seeing off & on for years who is BPD (e.g., she once sliced her wrists open in front of me, and cut me in the process, flailing wildly about; I could provide numerous examples, but I'd rather not). When with her, during off periods, I never once had an issue finding another girl or two. But I was drinking then.

This is the problem I've had this past week: girls will text me, show high interest, send pictures, even go as far as asking "when are we gonna hang out!?". As soon as I say, "this time, this place" it's dead silence. I don't want to text back after not hearing their response. I was wondering if you all could point me to some reading on texting or provide concrete examples of the types of conversations you guys have in text before asking for the date/setting it up. And also give me an idea of what I can do with them the first time we hang out that doesn't involve drinking. Furthermore, is it better to offer to pick them up or to meet them somewhere in public first?

I have to laugh at all of this because I seriously have no idea what the F is going on. It all used to just seem to happen naturally. I never 'dated' before. I just met girls and soon enough found them at my place or at me at theirs. Now it feels forced (sober), it feels like I'm just another average joe trying to 'date', and like there's effort required (majority of which I don't want to put in), and perhaps I somehow exude that in texts? I'm pretty slow to reply, short & direct, I don't text any more than they do, and I don't really beat around the bush either. I'm not flirty, I think that's the issue maybe[?]. I don't know how to text-flirt, or I don't know how to use 'smileys' properly or something.

I feel like silence is worse than flat out saying no, at least then they'd have provided a ****ing response!

Input, advice, links, etc... much appreciated.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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^^^ that's a good thread, but if I read OP correctly he isn't even getting the first date.

Finicky, are you OLD? If so, keep the pre-date request contact light and flirty. Then, when you are ready, CALL her and ask her out. Have a firm day, place and time ready. Make a little small talk, then invite her out. I like to say "I want to go to cool place on Thursday and I want you to come. Are you free at 7pm?".

Harry Wilmington has some good material on this topic at stoplosingwomen.com.
 

finickywake

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That thread you linked provided some insight. I actually just had one of the girls text me back and wants to meet up friday. I'm 25, so no I'm not too old.
 
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