"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Alright so I was helping my friend study when he logs on his and his wifes myspace, I noticed this girl on their friendslist and said she was hot. To sum things up he told his wife who is friends with her and she got my number and we've been talking. I dont have a myspace so I emailed her pics. Started talking yesterday and today I met her while she was on break at work. Anyways she says Im cute and theres def signs of interest but the main problem here is she talks wayy too much. I mean she'll just go on and on and wont even let me get a few words in. I just got of the phone with her-after 3 hrs-(I know bad thing to do) I told her I had to get some sleep. ANyways this girl is a virgin and seems to be an overall good girl though whos been in too many relationships with guys just trying to get her in bed. She pretty much told me about all and I mean all her past relationships. Anyways just venting here-trying to decide if I wanna persue anything with this girl-any input on the talking too much or anything else?
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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amnbyrd said:
Alright so I was helping my friend study when he logs on his and his wifes myspace, I noticed this girl on their friendslist and said she was hot. To sum things up he told his wife who is friends with her and she got my number and we've been talking. I dont have a myspace so I emailed her pics. Started talking yesterday and today I met her while she was on break at work. Anyways she says Im cute and theres def signs of interest but the main problem here is she talks wayy too much. I mean she'll just go on and on and wont even let me get a few words in. I just got of the phone with her-after 3 hrs-(I know bad thing to do) I told her I had to get some sleep. ANyways this girl is a virgin and seems to be an overall good girl though whos been in too many relationships with guys just trying to get her in bed. She pretty much told me about all and I mean all her past relationships. Anyways just venting here-trying to decide if I wanna persue anything with this girl-any input on the talking too much or anything else?

three hours on a phone???? and you say know a bad thing to do? clearly not, by staying on the phone for 3 hours you just shown that you have way to much time on your hand. allways get down to seeing someone in person have a drink somewhere, if she then sill keeps talking on and on and on.. than you either change the subject or you bail
 

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I'm not even going to help you because I know your not going to do what we say. Your post screams "I want to go to AFC'ville, can you help me get there"
 

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I dated a girl once who was so boring. We would sit there, and I would talk, and it was like I was talking to a brick wall. I guess you could be thankful she has something to say.

You need to control the frame though, dude. Once you tell her you have to go, then go. Don't stay on the phone with any chick more than TEN minutes. If she wants to talk, it should be face to face. Also, the more information you give her about yourself over the phone, the less interesting you'll be when you meet her.
 

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amnbyrd said:
ANyways this girl is a virgin and seems to be an overall good girl though whos been in too many relationships with guys just trying to get her in bed.
What you just said here doesn't add up.

How can she still be a virgin if she has been in so many relationships?! I doubt she is telling the truth.

aren't you trying to get her in bed too?! because if you aren't then there is something wrong with you too.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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When a girl tells you about her past relationships and you're just meeting her, you're purchasing a one way ticket to the friend zone.

How old is this girl?
 

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When a girl tells you about her past relationships and you're just meeting her, you're purchasing a one way ticket to the friend zone.
Meh, some conversation along these lines is pretty normal and expected, and I would even argue a little necessary for a girl to feel like you know her. But this sounds overboard.


Anyway, back to your question-I can't deal with that either, dude. And talking non-stop usually goes hand in hand with stories about people you don't know and may never meet, depressing stories, drama involving girls who've done her wrong.. blech....

No thanks.
 

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It depends on what you want, and what boundaries you want to set. You can definitely get a date with this chick, but she's probably going to be a blabbermouth and totally not-fun to be with. I hate blabbermouths. If you want to bed her, just be prepared to look yourself in the mirror and discover that you are another one of those jerks trying to get her into bed. If you just want a celibate relationship, then go for it.

She talked to you for 3 hours? And told you about her past relationships? She's probably got baggage man, and the fact that she's willing to share it with you so quickly means that she is probably really insecure about the way she feels about herself...
 

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Don't over analyze everything. Maybe she's nervous, maybe she is a little chatty in trying to open you up, maybe she wants you to approve her. Whatever the reason, take your time because you are given the rejection card. Take it.
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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Yea Im def gonna tak back control of the situation. I'd hate to mess this up. Guess I'll just see how things go.
One more question-I know most say a lot of txting if bad so what do you do when the girl txts a lot about everyday stuff like school or justa bout anything else?
 

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when it does happen, let her. let her wonder where you are and what you're doing.
 

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ARe you saying just dont reply at all? How does that usually work out? In a good way or do girls get mad if you dont reply?
 

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no, im' not saying that. I'm saying do your own things. You're a busy guy aren't you? let her think about you. let her say "wtf??? this is the first guy who didn't reply to me so fast!" get it?

and who gives a f<ck if she's mad? You're busy doing more important things.
 

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amnbyrd said:
ARe you saying just dont reply at all? How does that usually work out? In a good way or do girls get mad if you dont reply?
Dude, girls love guys who don't care as much as them. It gives them something to prove to themselves.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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