suavedave
Senior Don Juan
Im not gay, I mean-- we're talking about relating well with women; fine. But what about networking, business, friendship, etc. There is a lot of cross over (ok, No kino on your boss now!!!!!) But, think about it.
"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
Suggestion: Make a Board for Guy Relationships
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"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
assasin
Don Juan
Is a hand shake not Kino?
Is a pat on the back not Kino?
C+F, Eye Contact, even neg hits are all parts of interacting with everyone, even your buddies and at work.
Is a pat on the back not Kino?
C+F, Eye Contact, even neg hits are all parts of interacting with everyone, even your buddies and at work.
"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"
She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.
Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.
The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.
suavedave
Senior Don Juan
exactly assasin
Just what I'm saying...
But another board-- with a different objective. I mean, not doing these things with the purpose of sex!
For instance, last night at the club I had as a first order of priority to find a wing man. What's the best way to do this (essentially; approach guys). This kind of thing is not discussed, and it would be helpful to have a board for it.
Just what I'm saying...
But another board-- with a different objective. I mean, not doing these things with the purpose of sex!
For instance, last night at the club I had as a first order of priority to find a wing man. What's the best way to do this (essentially; approach guys). This kind of thing is not discussed, and it would be helpful to have a board for it.
-HPNOTIQ-
Master Don Juan
Re: exactly assasin
My thoughts:
I am assuming that you go clubbing solo, thus, have resulted in trying to find a wingman there. I wouldn't recommend it. There maybe a small percentage of guys that you could just laugh it up at a bar/club, make a few comments about the Vancouver Canucks, offer a game of pool, then plan a strategy on how you can pull some HB's -- But, that's wishful thinking.
You will come across problems with trying to find a wingman "for the night". First, you don't know him from sh*t, and he doesn't know you from sh*t. How do you agree upon who gets who when dealing with women? What makes you think he won't c*ckblock an opportunity when it arises for you? What makes you think he'll give a rip if you get some.
Second, you're a DJ - I'm a DJ...that's cool. But, who the heck is your wingman? Unless he's versed in some of the finer points of DJism, then, he might as well be an AFC buddy that ruins all your opportunities.
Third, it sounds really gay. I'm sure 'in-theory' it could work. You comming up to a man, buying him a drink, buying him a round of pool, then plotting the attack on the females - what are you going to do next? Plan some KINO? Do a C/F SS pattern?
Hahaha..not trying to flame you bro..just busting your b*lls a little bit. I find it better to go with 'close' buddies you already know. With them, at least you know the 'formula' on who gets which girl, how to divert a group of female's attention so you can strike, and how to back-up all your DJ skills. Close buddies can, and always will, push you when you're nervous. If you have to, revert an AFC buddy. AFC buddies are great people to revert and make DJ wingmen.
I'm sure if you asked this question in the regular discussion threads, a bunch of guys would be able to answer it rather quickly.
My thoughts:
I am assuming that you go clubbing solo, thus, have resulted in trying to find a wingman there. I wouldn't recommend it. There maybe a small percentage of guys that you could just laugh it up at a bar/club, make a few comments about the Vancouver Canucks, offer a game of pool, then plan a strategy on how you can pull some HB's -- But, that's wishful thinking.
You will come across problems with trying to find a wingman "for the night". First, you don't know him from sh*t, and he doesn't know you from sh*t. How do you agree upon who gets who when dealing with women? What makes you think he won't c*ckblock an opportunity when it arises for you? What makes you think he'll give a rip if you get some.
Second, you're a DJ - I'm a DJ...that's cool. But, who the heck is your wingman? Unless he's versed in some of the finer points of DJism, then, he might as well be an AFC buddy that ruins all your opportunities.
Third, it sounds really gay. I'm sure 'in-theory' it could work. You comming up to a man, buying him a drink, buying him a round of pool, then plotting the attack on the females - what are you going to do next? Plan some KINO? Do a C/F SS pattern?
Hahaha..not trying to flame you bro..just busting your b*lls a little bit. I find it better to go with 'close' buddies you already know. With them, at least you know the 'formula' on who gets which girl, how to divert a group of female's attention so you can strike, and how to back-up all your DJ skills. Close buddies can, and always will, push you when you're nervous. If you have to, revert an AFC buddy. AFC buddies are great people to revert and make DJ wingmen.
drixsa
Master Don Juan
Re: Re: exactly assasin
id say itd be quite a goal to manage to pick up a guy to be your wingman without comin off as gay
my best advice: try to fid agroup of ppl and meet them. there could be woman already there if not, ask one of the guys your talking to, to help and come approach some woman that you see eye'n you
your shallow and unproductiveOriginally posted by The Edge
The Edge ' Some have it, and some don't '
id say itd be quite a goal to manage to pick up a guy to be your wingman without comin off as gay
my best advice: try to fid agroup of ppl and meet them. there could be woman already there if not, ask one of the guys your talking to, to help and come approach some woman that you see eye'n you
suavedave
Senior Don Juan
good posts....
Thanks, very useful comments (except for the "gay" remarks!... well those were helpful too! In retrospect it must have seemed like I was hitting on them-- maybe one guy who looked gay.)
Anyway, what I did was get on the dance floor and see a guy dancing a way. I spotted a two set and grabbed his hand and moved it over to the chick. The girl looked a bit agast, but smiled and made EC him. There was brief interaction, but the other chick wasn't really into anything, so I moved on............
Anyway, experience experience.
But on the subject: I mean a "how to make friends and influence people" type board.
Thanks, very useful comments (except for the "gay" remarks!... well those were helpful too! In retrospect it must have seemed like I was hitting on them-- maybe one guy who looked gay.)
Anyway, what I did was get on the dance floor and see a guy dancing a way. I spotted a two set and grabbed his hand and moved it over to the chick. The girl looked a bit agast, but smiled and made EC him. There was brief interaction, but the other chick wasn't really into anything, so I moved on............
Anyway, experience experience.
But on the subject: I mean a "how to make friends and influence people" type board.
"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"
You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.
She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.
Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.
Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.
oreo_renegade
Master Don Juan
I think DJing isn't just something you do to get sex, a DJ is someone you are through-out your day, whether it is with women you want to nail, women you use as friends, males you use as friends, teachers, coworkers, bosses, family, children at playground(hahaha)
Whatever you DO through-out your day, you DO IT like a DJ.
Remember a DJ doesnt run his life around women.
So all the "gay" commments are from retards.
I DJ all the time. Yesterday I came up and started talking to a random guy just as I would talk to a random girl if I was sitting there all alone and they were sitting there all alone too.
Am I gay? No. I was just making friendly conversation.
What's so "DJ" about that?
It takes confidance to talk to a stranger, it takes social skills to talk about different topics and keep the conversation flowing.
And that is true no matter who you approach.
PS- in case im not clear, i dont really thik we need a different forum for this because you can already apply everything you learn in other forums to your daily interactions.
Whatever you DO through-out your day, you DO IT like a DJ.
Remember a DJ doesnt run his life around women.
So all the "gay" commments are from retards.
I DJ all the time. Yesterday I came up and started talking to a random guy just as I would talk to a random girl if I was sitting there all alone and they were sitting there all alone too.
Am I gay? No. I was just making friendly conversation.
What's so "DJ" about that?
It takes confidance to talk to a stranger, it takes social skills to talk about different topics and keep the conversation flowing.
And that is true no matter who you approach.
PS- in case im not clear, i dont really thik we need a different forum for this because you can already apply everything you learn in other forums to your daily interactions.
suavedave
Senior Don Juan
My reasoning
That's right!
But, remember the book "How to make friends and influence people." I am of the same opinion -- we apply these skills to our daily interactions, but I'm not sure I agree that we can apply everything to different relationships.
That's right!
But, remember the book "How to make friends and influence people." I am of the same opinion -- we apply these skills to our daily interactions, but I'm not sure I agree that we can apply everything to different relationships.
"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"
Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.
She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.
Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.
So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.
The words come later. The impression comes first.
metahuman
Banned
WHAT!?
where the hell did this men thread idea come from? I don't see anyone currently throwing gay threads in the forum, sot this new idea will certainly not unclutter the forum. So how did your creative mind-process reach this suggestion?
I concur
where the hell did this men thread idea come from? I don't see anyone currently throwing gay threads in the forum, sot this new idea will certainly not unclutter the forum. So how did your creative mind-process reach this suggestion?
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Hey SuaveDave, here are two excellent threads for that purpose, I think you will love them!
Use Men, Older Women, and Children for Practice
The Art of Omni-Kino
Check them out, tell me your thoughts...
Use Men, Older Women, and Children for Practice
The Art of Omni-Kino
Check them out, tell me your thoughts...