suavedave
Senior Don Juan
Im not gay, I mean-- we're talking about relating well with women; fine. But what about networking, business, friendship, etc. There is a lot of cross over (ok, No kino on your boss now!!!!!) But, think about it.
"I just moved here from Florida."
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
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"She's Out of Your League"
You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.
Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.
She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.
Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.
assasin
Don Juan
Is a hand shake not Kino?
Is a pat on the back not Kino?
C+F, Eye Contact, even neg hits are all parts of interacting with everyone, even your buddies and at work.
Is a pat on the back not Kino?
C+F, Eye Contact, even neg hits are all parts of interacting with everyone, even your buddies and at work.
"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
suavedave
Senior Don Juan
exactly assasin
Just what I'm saying...
But another board-- with a different objective. I mean, not doing these things with the purpose of sex!
For instance, last night at the club I had as a first order of priority to find a wing man. What's the best way to do this (essentially; approach guys). This kind of thing is not discussed, and it would be helpful to have a board for it.
Just what I'm saying...
But another board-- with a different objective. I mean, not doing these things with the purpose of sex!
For instance, last night at the club I had as a first order of priority to find a wing man. What's the best way to do this (essentially; approach guys). This kind of thing is not discussed, and it would be helpful to have a board for it.
-HPNOTIQ-
Master Don Juan
Re: exactly assasin
My thoughts:
I am assuming that you go clubbing solo, thus, have resulted in trying to find a wingman there. I wouldn't recommend it. There maybe a small percentage of guys that you could just laugh it up at a bar/club, make a few comments about the Vancouver Canucks, offer a game of pool, then plan a strategy on how you can pull some HB's -- But, that's wishful thinking.
You will come across problems with trying to find a wingman "for the night". First, you don't know him from sh*t, and he doesn't know you from sh*t. How do you agree upon who gets who when dealing with women? What makes you think he won't c*ckblock an opportunity when it arises for you? What makes you think he'll give a rip if you get some.
Second, you're a DJ - I'm a DJ...that's cool. But, who the heck is your wingman? Unless he's versed in some of the finer points of DJism, then, he might as well be an AFC buddy that ruins all your opportunities.
Third, it sounds really gay. I'm sure 'in-theory' it could work. You comming up to a man, buying him a drink, buying him a round of pool, then plotting the attack on the females - what are you going to do next? Plan some KINO? Do a C/F SS pattern?
Hahaha..not trying to flame you bro..just busting your b*lls a little bit. I find it better to go with 'close' buddies you already know. With them, at least you know the 'formula' on who gets which girl, how to divert a group of female's attention so you can strike, and how to back-up all your DJ skills. Close buddies can, and always will, push you when you're nervous. If you have to, revert an AFC buddy. AFC buddies are great people to revert and make DJ wingmen.
I'm sure if you asked this question in the regular discussion threads, a bunch of guys would be able to answer it rather quickly.
My thoughts:
I am assuming that you go clubbing solo, thus, have resulted in trying to find a wingman there. I wouldn't recommend it. There maybe a small percentage of guys that you could just laugh it up at a bar/club, make a few comments about the Vancouver Canucks, offer a game of pool, then plan a strategy on how you can pull some HB's -- But, that's wishful thinking.
You will come across problems with trying to find a wingman "for the night". First, you don't know him from sh*t, and he doesn't know you from sh*t. How do you agree upon who gets who when dealing with women? What makes you think he won't c*ckblock an opportunity when it arises for you? What makes you think he'll give a rip if you get some.
Second, you're a DJ - I'm a DJ...that's cool. But, who the heck is your wingman? Unless he's versed in some of the finer points of DJism, then, he might as well be an AFC buddy that ruins all your opportunities.
Third, it sounds really gay. I'm sure 'in-theory' it could work. You comming up to a man, buying him a drink, buying him a round of pool, then plotting the attack on the females - what are you going to do next? Plan some KINO? Do a C/F SS pattern?
Hahaha..not trying to flame you bro..just busting your b*lls a little bit. I find it better to go with 'close' buddies you already know. With them, at least you know the 'formula' on who gets which girl, how to divert a group of female's attention so you can strike, and how to back-up all your DJ skills. Close buddies can, and always will, push you when you're nervous. If you have to, revert an AFC buddy. AFC buddies are great people to revert and make DJ wingmen.
drixsa
Master Don Juan
Re: Re: exactly assasin
id say itd be quite a goal to manage to pick up a guy to be your wingman without comin off as gay
my best advice: try to fid agroup of ppl and meet them. there could be woman already there if not, ask one of the guys your talking to, to help and come approach some woman that you see eye'n you
your shallow and unproductiveOriginally posted by The Edge
The Edge ' Some have it, and some don't '
id say itd be quite a goal to manage to pick up a guy to be your wingman without comin off as gay
my best advice: try to fid agroup of ppl and meet them. there could be woman already there if not, ask one of the guys your talking to, to help and come approach some woman that you see eye'n you
suavedave
Senior Don Juan
good posts....
Thanks, very useful comments (except for the "gay" remarks!... well those were helpful too! In retrospect it must have seemed like I was hitting on them-- maybe one guy who looked gay.)
Anyway, what I did was get on the dance floor and see a guy dancing a way. I spotted a two set and grabbed his hand and moved it over to the chick. The girl looked a bit agast, but smiled and made EC him. There was brief interaction, but the other chick wasn't really into anything, so I moved on............
Anyway, experience experience.
But on the subject: I mean a "how to make friends and influence people" type board.
Thanks, very useful comments (except for the "gay" remarks!... well those were helpful too! In retrospect it must have seemed like I was hitting on them-- maybe one guy who looked gay.)
Anyway, what I did was get on the dance floor and see a guy dancing a way. I spotted a two set and grabbed his hand and moved it over to the chick. The girl looked a bit agast, but smiled and made EC him. There was brief interaction, but the other chick wasn't really into anything, so I moved on............
Anyway, experience experience.
But on the subject: I mean a "how to make friends and influence people" type board.
“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”
Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.
Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers. Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.
I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.
oreo_renegade
Master Don Juan
I think DJing isn't just something you do to get sex, a DJ is someone you are through-out your day, whether it is with women you want to nail, women you use as friends, males you use as friends, teachers, coworkers, bosses, family, children at playground(hahaha)
Whatever you DO through-out your day, you DO IT like a DJ.
Remember a DJ doesnt run his life around women.
So all the "gay" commments are from retards.
I DJ all the time. Yesterday I came up and started talking to a random guy just as I would talk to a random girl if I was sitting there all alone and they were sitting there all alone too.
Am I gay? No. I was just making friendly conversation.
What's so "DJ" about that?
It takes confidance to talk to a stranger, it takes social skills to talk about different topics and keep the conversation flowing.
And that is true no matter who you approach.
PS- in case im not clear, i dont really thik we need a different forum for this because you can already apply everything you learn in other forums to your daily interactions.
Whatever you DO through-out your day, you DO IT like a DJ.
Remember a DJ doesnt run his life around women.
So all the "gay" commments are from retards.
I DJ all the time. Yesterday I came up and started talking to a random guy just as I would talk to a random girl if I was sitting there all alone and they were sitting there all alone too.
Am I gay? No. I was just making friendly conversation.
What's so "DJ" about that?
It takes confidance to talk to a stranger, it takes social skills to talk about different topics and keep the conversation flowing.
And that is true no matter who you approach.
PS- in case im not clear, i dont really thik we need a different forum for this because you can already apply everything you learn in other forums to your daily interactions.
suavedave
Senior Don Juan
My reasoning
That's right!
But, remember the book "How to make friends and influence people." I am of the same opinion -- we apply these skills to our daily interactions, but I'm not sure I agree that we can apply everything to different relationships.
That's right!
But, remember the book "How to make friends and influence people." I am of the same opinion -- we apply these skills to our daily interactions, but I'm not sure I agree that we can apply everything to different relationships.
"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
metahuman
Banned
WHAT!?
where the hell did this men thread idea come from? I don't see anyone currently throwing gay threads in the forum, sot this new idea will certainly not unclutter the forum. So how did your creative mind-process reach this suggestion?
I concur
where the hell did this men thread idea come from? I don't see anyone currently throwing gay threads in the forum, sot this new idea will certainly not unclutter the forum. So how did your creative mind-process reach this suggestion?
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Hey SuaveDave, here are two excellent threads for that purpose, I think you will love them!
Use Men, Older Women, and Children for Practice
The Art of Omni-Kino
Check them out, tell me your thoughts...
Use Men, Older Women, and Children for Practice
The Art of Omni-Kino
Check them out, tell me your thoughts...