"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Mr.Speed

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hi guys,

here is the introduction: I am meeting this girl, with who I was in elementary school, back when I was 7 years old ;) she hated me in the past, and I had no chance as a little boy. I got in touch with her and I have been out with her for 3 times. as a matter of fact, she thinks now that I am pretty sexy and attractive (she is 23 now).

anyway, the last time I was out with her we went to a nice cafe and afterwards for a walk (she wanted to walk), I knew exactly what she wanted ;)

so there we were, walking around and talking,then I decided to take the initiative and we stoped.. I looked into her eyes,smiled and went for a nice and long kiss.

she was completly shocked and got pretty nervous :up:
I asked her what was wrong (I was pretty calm and cool), she just replied, that she had not forseen that this would happen. since then, we were holding hands,cuddled and kissed.

now to my question: she had birthday on october the 4th, I dated her the last time on october the 5th, I had no present, since I didn`t knew if it would be wussyish to give her gifts in the early run.

she invited me on thursday to visit her at home and "watch a movie" with her, of course we all know, that she doesn`t really want to watch a movie ;)

I had in mind, to show up at her place with a single red rose (kind of romantic stuff) and maybe a small present for her.

do you think it is a good idea to give her a small present or even a rose? :flowers: should I show up blank?

thanks for your help :)
 

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If she's the type of female that's even hinted at some sort of gift-I wouldn't get her anything-If YOU FEEL you wanna get her something small-1 flower etc.-that's up to you-just nothing that would cost maybe more than $5-10 depending on where you live
 

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i think a small "thoughtful" gift would be more than enough for a present. I dont think you'll be needing that rose.

but, in the end, it all comes down to your personal style.

ask yourself, "is this something an attractive and confident Mr.Speed would do?"
 

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one time we where phoning, and somehow we got to the topic: gifts. she told me that she ist not a materialist and therefore does not need stuff, but of course she feels happy if you decide to give her present.
 

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Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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I could give her a photo, but chances are high that she has got that photo also, because our teacher used to give copies of the photos to all classmates.

maybe I could combine the single red rose,with that photo. it just gets embarassing,when she tells me, that she already has that photo :(
 

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Well, if you want to give her that photo, i suggest you get creative with it. turn it into an artsy thing, perhaps? It may or may not be a good idea, but hell im just throwing out ideas. For my birthday, my gf made me a book of "memories" and put various things from various dates weve had like tickets and things. She used some fancy paper and stuff like that, and put a picture of her that i liked in the front. You REALLY shouldn't get that complicated for a gift so early on, but maybe that visualization can help open a door in your mind for a better idea more appropriate for your situation. good luck with whatever you decide to do.
 

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thanks for your help,grim999.

I think I have to "throw some dice" about a creative idea, but maybe the rose isn't that bad anyway. I mean, if I don't come up with a fancy idea, I will give her a atleast a flower.
 

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oh, one more question to you guys:

in my first post (in this thread), you can read my small succes story. I was wondering all the time: everytime we phone or text/email each other, it is pretty formal, like just hi, planning the dates, take care and bye.

is this a good sign? could it be,that she is just shy? since I made her pretty nervous and excited the last time, by the way, our texting/phoning,was always pretty formal and smalltalk-like. no emotional stuff so far.

or is it just evolivng at this time?
 

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Don't do flowers! Use those later when she least expects it and deserves them. Get her something perishable. Make it match the infancy of your relationship but reflects on when she hated you in elementary school. It will show you actually thought about it and it isn't too serious.

You shocked her with the kiss and now you have to keep shocking her!!

Keep everything simple and let her expand on it. (IE. texts, phone).

When the time comes to be a bleeding heart do it after you two have had a few drinks. That way if you go to far you can blame it on the alcohol.

NO FLOWERS!

:flowers: :nono:
 

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@ zerocelcius: the problem is, there was never something taht connected us in elemantary school, therefore I really do not have a clue what perishable to give to her, instead of a rose (which is by the way perishable too).

one more thing, she has a 2 year old boy. yup, thats right she got pregnant 2 years ago, therefore I was wondering to bring him a small teddy-bear, since it is a good trick, to get to her heart by her son, plus it would look really stupid to give something to her, but not to her son.
 

zerocelcius

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Good call with the boy!

Rose is to.. Love! I wouldn't get a flower... but that is me. I would go for something like a bath set. That way she associates those magical bath moments with you. Not a dead flower.

I was just trying to give you advice like you asked for. Being cynical was a bit uncalled for.

Buana Fourtuna~!
 

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@zero: the idea with the bath set ist brilliant, its kind of erotical too ;), but do you think it is not,umm.. some sort of insulting,like the meaning: "get a bath!", you know?

thanks for your help :)
 

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You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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How about you give her a bottle? Vodka, or if you want to be more original Konyak (if you can find it). Show up with a bottle under your arm and go heeeey, and show it to her. It's ok to give a bottle, since you both gonna drink it right then probably. It's kinda like giving girl a lingirie.
 

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never give booze on as a first gift!
 

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Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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