Society cant have it both ways folks...

[BaronOfHair]

The 13 colonies had to set aside things like religious differences to overthrow British rule

Yeah, that(setting aside religious differences, that is)can be done again today, IF we can actually get honest enough to admit that things like Wokeness and The Red Pill really are religions

I.E. If one gets emotional benefits from them on a personal level, that's fine. Trying to use the state to impose one's own religious preferences on those who don't share them? Not fine

 

[inquisitor]

Semantics are f*cking us up. We have to be careful with how we converse, lest we want to be misunderstood.

Men are not masculine anymore so women have to become men.

Men are still masculine and nothing can change that. However, there are guys (not men) that are deciding and/or driven by external factors to be less masculine. There are also girls (not women) who would rather present a false sense of assertiveness because they can, or because of empowerment, and still without keeping their word.

Unfortunately, we can't have both worlds.

We are already living both worlds.

If in the long-term, humanity desires functional families, then we all must focus on elevating appropriate masculine and feminine role models and frameworks, and that discussion involves dating, sex, and relationships, then moving into consent, proper parenthood, and educated education, which are mostly rooted in religious, cultural, economic, and societal aspects. There are a lot of nuances coming into play as we look further.

 

[BaronOfHair]

If in the long-term, humanity desires functional families...

This being desirable is a dubious proposition... How would we even know what's "functional", WITHOUT the riff raff regulalry reminding us what's unbecoming?

 

[inquisitor]

This being desirable is a dubious proposition... How would we even know what's "functional", WITHOUT the riff raff regulalry reminding us what's unbecoming?

Ah yes, the good ol' yin and yang.

 

[BaronOfHair]

Ah yes, the good ol' yin and yang.

We all daydream about a more unified society, yet rarely recognize the cost of such a thing coming to fruition:

Each of us, individually, wil then be expected to adhere to whatever party line is currently believed to be The Incontrvertible Truth, lest we be labeled heretics and blasphemers, cast out subsequently. Given that this has already been going on for the past decade, it's mind boggling that so many of us now crave even MORE uniformity

 

[MatureDJ]

Refreshing to learn that when Bible humpers aren't embezzling from their own congregations and not exactly practicing the family values they espouse on Sunday https://www.ebsco.com/research-star...gelist-jimmy-swaggart-tearfully-confesses-his

They have an unassailable comprehension of morality

My favorite from 4 decades ago:

 

[MatureDJ]

Like @Divorced w 3 the younger generation in my family is taking religion (and the associated values) seriously.

My son is Catholic, married in the Catholic church and has a career and young family. He's the sole earner....by design. He serves as well on the board of a charitable foundation and may see if he can assist another foundation which does scholarships that was founded by his paternal grandfather's old unit.

He's 23. He is a trustee as well for my trust and is helping educate his sisters and cousins about family values and wealth creation/preservation. His buddies are either already married or mostly in LTRs with a liklihood of marriage.

There is a move away from all the leftist woke stuff going on in the youth today. People need something bigger to be a part of. When you as a society tear God away from the institutions, something comes in to fill that void because it is a need. In recent years that has been leftist liberalism and wokeness. But young people are not as stupid as the left would like. Many are rejecting the woke worldview and rediscovering traditional values.

And that in my view is a good thing.

It's a lot easier for man to do well in the mating market if he has a Trust.

 

[BaronOfHair]

My favorite from 4 decades ago:

Larger problem we have, than the corruption among clergy that's long-since been banal, is the core philosophy of what's being espoused in church:

No man with so much as an ounce of warm blood in his veins is going to find a message that essentially reads "Just be nice, loving, and non-judgmental, even in the face of wanton malice and unforgivable idiocy... Render unto Cesar that which is Cesar's, and allow yourself to be led off to execution, without so much as a whimper: You'll get your reward at some undetermined time in Heaven, after your pulse has stopped, once and for all"*

As Murrow et al have noted https://cbn.com/article/not-selected/why-men-hate-church when men leave any organized religion by the sh-t-oad, so does almost everyone else. There's very little evidence to suggest that we aren't going to witness a cycle that's already rinsed and repeated three times in recent memory do so all over again



*Yeah, I know there are ways of interpreting the theology in question in a more "virile" fashion... Fact is though, one has to really strain at the bit to get there, and the majority of men have no desire to regularly indulge in in intellectual contortions that gruesome

 

[BeExcellent]

It's a lot easier for man to do well in the mating market if he has a Trust.

Its not his trust. Its mine. And he is only one trustee. The other two are close friends I've known for 40+ years. Its irrevocable so I cannot directly control it. It is set up to benefit myself and my first husband (the children's father) for our retirement years. The kids only get what's left after we are both gone. Sheesh. So no. No trust fund for my kids. My son met his now wife at age 10 (she was 9).....

Quit being so bitter & perhaps you'll do better.

 

[BaronOfHair]

It’s definitely making a comeback.

Perhaps https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehil...s/5399602-gen-z-men-religious-resurgence/amp/

 

[Smok1nAce]

Yes we all know, you dont shyt where you eat, if you just want sex see a prostitute.

 

[BaronOfHair]

My son is Catholic, married in the Catholic church and has a career and young family

There's demented comfort to be found in a strain of thought which runs through all THREE Abrahamic religions

3:30-4:05

That essentially reads as follows:
"At some point in the future, we're going to be bulldozed by Cesar's legions, sent into exile/Crucified for uttering words out loud that some as-h-le bureaucrat found offensive/Dismembered alive by an enemy tribe, while our wives and daughters get sold into sexual slavery... None of that's happening now though, so let's grab dinner and a show, and enjoy whatever moments we have, between now and then"

A resurrection of the "Let's get on with it" mindset would relief us all of an immense amount of angst

 

[Vanderdonck]

Of course we can have both abundant sex and strong masculine men in society. No reason we can't. Stop simping. If you want to get laid a lot, do that. If you want to get married, do that. Just don't be a doormat. Select women that you WANT, not that simply open their legs. Problem is too many of you guys are too focused on sex and not enough on self respect.

The rest is just male Disney fantasy. Monogamy is not natural so historically it took threat of jail or he11 to enforce it. RP is still RP.