chancer357
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NoOriginally posted by marketboy
Chancer weren't you depressed and ****??? Are you over it yet?
Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.
She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.
Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.
So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.
The words come later. The impression comes first.
NoOriginally posted by marketboy
Chancer weren't you depressed and ****??? Are you over it yet?
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.
Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?
You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.
Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.
Yeah same here. I'm fine around friends and coworkers.Originally posted by 777boy
Jond i was also thinking of going and getting tested to see whether i suffered from social anxiety.But in my case its weird cos im okay with all guys and girls i already know.
I only get totally flusterred with new chicks.
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
You see you are still thinking from the perspective of what the other person is thinking of you. It is not that you put on some front or act in some way that seems like you don't care. You must honestly, truthfully not care. It doesn't matter what they think of you.In the paragraph where you said " i have to learn how not to care" Could you elaborate more ?How can i seem not to care or to give the imppression i dont care.
Do i like act unaffected when i see a girl i like instead of oogling or.....?
Yep. Or as if we're doing something dumb or stupid. Like everyone else in the world knows whats going on, and we're just pathatically trying.Originally posted by 777boy
Jond i know what you mean when you say " you feel everyone would be watching you if you tried to approach a chick and think youre a loser "
Its as though were doing something wrong....and we have no right to approach a chick.
No, you're 100% right. Look at eharmony, match.com, yahoo personals, etc. There are ALOT of people who dont have this area of their life handled.Originally posted by 777boy
You know i think its cos we think -ve we dont see all the other people out there who are in the same boat as us.Do you really think all
guys are getting chicks and having a good time ? I honestly think there are so many out there like us.Look at this forum you,Chancer 357 and myself have this
weird problem.3 people in a single forum.So what about your state or city ? Believe me there are so many miserable people but many dont say anything or make
an effort.At least we are in this forum trying to figure out ways to help ourselves with useful input from others.
Not really. I've been searching for other methods(NLP, therapy, etc). It seems to look though, like the bootcamp may be the only way.Originally posted by 777boy
Jond have you done the Boot Camp ?
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
I think that is a reasonable question and I don't mind answering it. I think hearing about where other guys have come from can help people who are in a similar place.Originally posted by 777boy
MrCode,
I need to ask you though.You said a while back you were shy etc. What exactly was your problem and what techniques did you use personally to improve and did that help you getting a chick ?
Sorry if this is too personal but think maybe this info could assist me.
Laters
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.