So I actually had an opportunity with a good looking girl last night

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What!!! It was a lie?!
Yes, it is a lie. Some guys will always be intimidated, but the idea that the prettiest women are sitting home alone on Saturday nights because all guys are afraid to ask them out is nonsense. The lies made it sound like there is no competition for these women.

There are always the guys who have the nerve and self confidence to approach anyone. Then there are guys who will be so attracted to her beauty that they will ask her out even if they are afraid. To them, the reward is worth the risk. Then there are the guys who are so horny they will ask her - hormones trump all.

The reason beautiful women are "easier" and more happy to be approached is because their experiences with men are so positive. "Oh look, here comes another boy to adore me".
 

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I'm 58 and this is the same bullsh!t they said to us when I was growing up. "Beautiful women aren't approached because men are intimidated by them". Wasn't true then and it isn't true now. Beautiful women have guys crawling all over them, more now than ever before since there are so many electronic means that make it easier.

I agree that this is Dave's problem, however.
That is not what's being said at all. You are definitely projecting. I do see women in the 5-7 range approached a lot. Especially7's. But the hotter the women, the less likely they are to be approached. Very few men are able to approach 9's and 10's.

Yes, it is a lie. Some guys will always be intimidated, but the idea that the prettiest women are sitting home alone on Saturday nights because all guys are afraid to ask them out is nonsense. The lies made it sound like there is no competition for these women.

There are always the guys who have the nerve and self confidence to approach anyone. Then there are guys who will be so attracted to her beauty that they will ask her out even if they are afraid. To them, the reward is worth the risk. Then there are the guys who are so horny they will ask her - hormones trump all.

The reason beautiful women are "easier" and more happy to be approached is because their experiences with men are so positive. "Oh look, here comes another boy to adore me".
The only time I see single 9's 10's being chatted up is when the guys are part of her social circle: this is especially common with college groups that are out. That doesnt mean they are cold approaching.
 

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I didn't fail cause of anxiety- i failed cause of my intense desire to meet someone that developed into desperation
Desperation IS anxiety, you're just assigning it a different name and trying to claim you don't have anxiety. You have anxiety
 

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But again, i failed Saturday because of desperation not anxiety
Dude, you are so hopeless you even reframe your own emotional limitations.

Any girl whom you THINK is "in your league" will smell this internal flim flam creepiness from a mile away.
 

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Desperation IS anxiety, you're just assigning it a different name and trying to claim you don't have anxiety. You have anxiety
Im not denying anxiety is a huge problem

But that's an issue when i want to approach somebody i don't know. In this case, this was an easy natural introduction. Why would i feel anxious?
 

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And we feed into his bullsh*t with our responses to the same old song and dance. Dave, seriously recognize that constant lamenting will not change the outcomes you seek. Get off your as* and interact with women, even if the are "beneath" your magical worth. Mods, let's make a deal with Dave, every time he spouts this same crap wrapped in different words he automatically earns a weeks ban. He can then use the time to interact in the real world instead of wasting words on various forums. Win win for all involved!
 

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But that's an issue when i want to approach somebody i don't know. In this case, this was an easy natural introduction. Why would i feel anxious?
Why don't you explore this questions with a qualified therapist instead of trying to convince a bunch a random people that your problems are simple logistics when WE ALL KNOW they are deeply psychological.
 

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The only time I see single 9's 10's being chatted up is when the guys are part of her social circle: this is especially common with college groups that are out. That doesnt mean they are cold approaching.
I don't believe in 10s. But the HB9s I've known had guys all over them, they were being cold approached everywhere they went.

In fact, since beauty is somewhat subjective, I kind of came to the conclusion that this was an objective way to define a true HB9. If a girl isn't being approached by guys everywhere she goes, she's not really a 9.
 

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I've seen the exact opposite. I should count myself lucky. And I don't see 9's and 10's all that often.

A 9 or 10 ticks all of the boxes: tall, slim, well, dressed, beautiful hair, face, skin tone. I've seen some shortie 9's and 10's but it's tougher for them since just a few extra pounds can really throw off their appearance. It's tougher for a short girl to have a gracile appearance.
 

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I've seen the exact opposite. I should count myself lucky. And I don't see 9's and 10's all that often.

A 9 or 10 ticks all of the boxes: tall, slim, well, dressed, beautiful hair, face, skin tone. I've seen some shortie 9's and 10's but it's tougher for them since just a few extra pounds can really throw off their appearance. It's tougher for a short girl to have a gracile appearance.
a lot of looks comes down to personal taste

To me this is a 10/10







this is a 6/10







I don't like thin girls, I don't like blonds and I don't care for light skinned women. I like thick, dark (olive skin tone or darker) and very fit
 

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I don't like thin girls, I don't like blonds and I don't care for light skinned women. I like thick, dark (olive skin tone or darker) and very fit
You're like some guy stuck on a desert island explaining to a seagull your specific requirements for the perfect souffle that you're never going to eat.
 

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@bigdave17. I think Momo is for you. She's got that big azz you like. LOL. She won't judge you too much either.

 
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You're like some guy stuck on a desert island explaining to a seagull your specific requirements for the perfect souffle that you're never going to eat.

my point is most mainstream media would prefer the blonde... to me she is not appealing at all


looks are subjective
 

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Dave, how did you become a top salesman and eliminate sales anxiety? The same principles apply.

Do you deal with these women with a healthy detachment?

Do you carry the attitude that you are judging who she is and deciding whether or not she’s worthy to be in your life?

Seems to me the answer to both questions is no.

Why be desperate that a STRANGER likes you? Either the chemistry is there, or it isn’t. Your goal shouldn’t be “attracting” any individual woman. Rather, it should be determining if good chemistry exists or not.

Picture being in a room with 20 wooden boxes. One of them contains a gold coin. Your job is to simply open a box, one at a time, to see if the gold coin is factually there or not.

You can’t manipulate the boxes nor the coin in any way. You can only discover which box contains the coin.

In any given woman, either the coin (good chemistry) is there, or not. Nothing you can do or think can alter that fact.

You can’t manufacture anything. You can only discover the ones that YOU judge to be worthwhile.
 

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Yes, it is a lie. Some guys will always be intimidated, but the idea that the prettiest women are sitting home alone on Saturday nights because all guys are afraid to ask them out is nonsense. The lies made it sound like there is no competition for these women.

There are always the guys who have the nerve and self confidence to approach anyone. Then there are guys who will be so attracted to her beauty that they will ask her out even if they are afraid. To them, the reward is worth the risk. Then there are the guys who are so horny they will ask her - hormones trump all.

The reason beautiful women are "easier" and more happy to be approached is because their experiences with men are so positive. "Oh look, here comes another boy to adore me".
A pack of azzkissers and a couple of guys that treat them like the competitive manipulative ladies that they are.
 

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I don't think I'm really an incel, I get lots of female attention - just never from anybody dateable (go back to previous comments on what I consider dateable

most incel guys would cut off an arm to have the women who have approached me over the years. Incel guys have no standards at all
You just said you have the same results online as an incel would have....zero replies. You can't approach women at a gym because they have head-phones on....again that sounds incel. You said you look at allot of porn and think that's a barrier...again incels look at porn/type of porn because they don't have a gf or whatever. You are not presenting yourself in a way that differentiates yourself from an incel.
 

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You just said you have the same results online as an incel would have....zero replies. You can't approach women at a gym because they have head-phones on....again that sounds incel. You said you look at allot of porn and think that's a barrier...again incels look at porn/type of porn because they don't have a gf or whatever. You are not presenting yourself in a way that differentiates yourself from an incel.
He's not an incel, he's a voincel. He's basically a lady in a man's body. I've never seen so many excuses for not dating or having sex with a lady. I can understand if they looked like Missy Elliott, but if the pics in the past were true, the dude id fvckin nuts in the head. He's gone, by his own admission, nearly 3 years w/o any intimacy. He's in a dead bedroom with himself.
 
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