so epstein hung himself are you surprised

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Where the ƒuck are you getting this from?
I can't speak for her but I'm pretty sure it's sarcasm. You'd have to read more of the thread for context.
 

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There you go again. Anyone who disagrees with you is indoctrinated.
Ok. I will bite Sam. So how many people in this country want to hang the politicians involved? I’m ok with it. Go for it.

Now look at the news stories and how many are talking about other aspects? Lock step philosophical/psycho-babble sheep. Are you thinking that family structure is just fine and we should continue on this path?

If you agree with the narrative and let the narrative define your “moral compass”, then I guess you are good to go. I have daughters. Have at it. I’m not judging you. All I did was show the other side of the coin. You would think I gut shot people.

Yep social conditioning. People let the destructive media and mindsets dictate what’s right or wrong. Yeah like that works.

This story is a model for women and even men to follow.
 

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Ok. I will bite Sam. So how many people in this country want to hang the politicians involved? I’m ok with it. Go for it.

Now look at the news stories and how many are talking about other aspects? Lock step philosophical/psycho-babble sheep. Are you thinking that family structure is just fine and we should continue on this path?

If you agree with the narrative and let the narrative define your “moral compass”, then I guess you are good to go. I have daughters. Have at it. I’m not judging you. All I did was show the other side of the coin. You would think I gut shot people.

Yep social conditioning. People let the destructive media and mindsets dictate what’s right or wrong. Yeah like that works.

This story is a model for women and even men to follow.
There's a lot you say I agree with. What I meant was that just because someone holds a different opinion, it does not mean he's indoctrinated or (you didn't say this but others have) a "cuck." I think you can do better than throw your arms up and say there's no point arguing because the other person is supposedly brainwashed. And I have nothing against putting it to bed, agreeing to disagree, whatever. But if I'm truly not getting it, find another way to convince me, I have an open mind and can think for myself.

What I like about this place is the variety of opinion and relative lack of groupthink, and I'm always willing to consider someone's point of view. (At least I try, I'm human.)
 

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Not inkeeping with the hollywood stuff. But as far as I can tell the guy was a sleaze. Not interested in the least, and don't think this projects onto men in the general sense in the least.

Has zero effect on my life, and therefore I don't very much care. Honestly here is only place I'm seeing it as an interest. Reading this thread just get validated more so to care less tbh.
 

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I think you can do better than throw your arms up and say there's no point arguing because the other person is supposedly brainwashed. And I have nothing
Brainwashed is not the appropriate word. But I get your drift. We have been conditioned from birth in every aspect of our lives. The prevailing reality is a one way ticket to a fallen culture.

But you’re right. I do just walk away from people and arguments when I am up against rigid, fake realities created to wreck a culture. I’m utterly immune to its effects. I never once said through the whole thread that the men involved shouldn’t be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. The narrative jumped out. Degraded souls thrusting and thrashing over a concept that should be self apparent.

That is social conditioning and no, I do not waste my time with those that can’t see inside themselves. I expect it from women. They don’t think that way. This is not an external argument. It’s an internal battle.
 

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There's a lot you say I agree with. What I meant was that just because someone holds a different opinion, it does not mean he's indoctrinated or (you didn't say this but others have) a "cuck." I think you can do better than throw your arms up and say there's no point arguing because the other person is supposedly brainwashed. And I have nothing against putting it to bed, agreeing to disagree, whatever. But if I'm truly not getting it, find another way to convince me, I have an open mind and can think for myself.

What I like about this place is the variety of opinion and relative lack of groupthink, and I'm always willing to consider someone's point of view. (At least I try, I'm human.)
Actually, he did say "cuckable", simply because I pointed out these were children, not women.
 

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There is a world of difference between murdering someone versus someone grooming a child to take advantage of their naivete.
Just to point out where this started. Epic days said "Now that is gullible" in response to the above post. As linked below.


This is not "a rigid, fake reality".

This is not about women.

This is not about "What's inside".

This is you calling me gullible for not letting you equate a murderer to a child who was groomed for sex.

Let that comparison sink in.....
 
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So, let me get a few things straight.

One

Most people are brainwashed from birth. Some kind of narrative.

Two

Those that can see the "light" are the rare men who can see behind the veil. To see the world as it is. These folks have overcome a lifetime of brainwashing. The ones who are no longer beholden to the narrative, through heroic acts of courage and rational, independent thinking.

Three

Men who don't "get it" are hopelessly stuck in the female mindset. The female imperative. These poor, blue pilled souls are still brainwashed, and it's not recommended to "unplug" them as "unplugging people from the matrix is dirty business."

Four

Men, in general, are independent thinkers, while women are helplessly tethered to the hive mind. Social creatures who act like robots.

Five

Fourteen year old girls (females, scarcely capable of independent thought) who are groomed, tricked, blackmailed, trafficked, into have sex are somehow FULLY CULPABLE for their actions. They made an INDEPENDENT, rational choice to make an economic trade, sex for money. Despite being FEMALE, and despite being way to young to even QUESTION the narrative fed to them, they are still expected to act rationally. To not cave to pressure from extremely powerful men, to extremely powerful women, and to have the confidence and wherewithal to say, "no" after being led down a path filled with advanced trickery by POWERFUL WEALTHY ADULTS.

Perhaps I'm missing something?

Could somebody explain the apparent contradictions in logic?
 

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@Ranger <Cough> I mean Epic, now that you don't have Rollo backing up your points about the big bad feminine imperative, I think it's time that you surrender this handle too and delete all your posts out of embarrassment, as you did the last one, and get a new handle.

Go ahead, you have my permission to do that.
 

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Nay my friend I wasn't trying to change the subject, it has always remain the same and it looks like my idea to engage in a different manner is stillborn.

But I'll be blunt now.

These Epstein story is making rounds in my real life social circle too, a hot topic more so after his death.

And the difference between our peoples is as night and day, in how it is perceived.

On one hand, I'd take the commentary here as being typically Western, whilst on the other hand my comments is reflective of typical Asians.

Everyone has read your stand (and others) and they too shall have mine.

Both the men and women here in my social circle are just repeating the same mantra I've heard a thousand times, "the western decadence", shaking their heads, I give them a sad smile of acknowledgement.

But what surprises me the most were the venomous sting from almost all the women in my circle, they questioned how is it that a young girl is even allowed out of her house to go unaccompanied by her own mother to another man's house? Doesn't her mother know what's her daughter doing?

Shaking their heads saying "don't they know that we females holds the honor of our fathers?!"

Some even shivered thinking how their own fathers would react if he even knew that they would venture into another man's house (at that age) without his permission, I asked and most replied they would get the beating of their lives.

Some even countered and said, that would be really good because they deeply believe that their own father would have probably disowned them for bringing shame to the family name.

And when one of the guys mentioned their young age?

The women all laughed, 1 even said, ask ur 7 year old neighbour to open her panties, offer her money and see what happens. That kept him quiet. That kept me and the other guys quiet too.

To the women here, in their minds, a typical 8-10 year old asian girl has already been imbued with all the values to protect her dignity and that of her family by her own mother, her mother's mother, her father's mother and her long line of female relatives so much so it becomes part and parcel of her psyche.

But I understand why, because I too would be enraged if my own hypothetical daughter does it, I'd probably kick her mother and my own daughter out of my house for breaking my pride, defying my leadership as head of the family.

I have too much pride as a man.

But these are the values of Asians.

We make sure our children are empowered with knowledge and we also make sure they take ownership of their responsibilities.

Yes, children has responsibilities too.

Again I ask, do you really think 14 year olds are that stupid?

Don't look down on them. Empower them with values so that they can better protect themselves. Make sure they take ownership of it. Do not sweep it under the carpet by simply pointing that this law and that law is broken, its too late by then. Don't be reactive, be proactive.

How many men here has daughters? I bet a few do.

And if you were to lead and train ur family-daughter into taking responsibility for their actions (as most Asian fathers do), you think its likely they would do as those girls did?

Probability would be extremely low. Even the son of God had Judas but that didn't stop him from teaching what's right and good.

Those of you who have Asian wife's or girlfriends, ask them to verify my story, they may come from different countries but the basics is the same.

There's no social security here, there's hardly any therapist for trouble minds, there's almost no old folks home and there's so many we don't have because we take care of each other, from cradle to grave.

Values.

Don't be a father that is leaderless because if u r then it's akin to her being fatherless.

Again I ask, do you really think 14 year olds are that stupid?
My original reply to @Epic Days post covered the lack of proper parenting. You (among others) @Spaz came out of the gate supporting Epstein as the victim and the 14 year old children as knowing exactly what they were doing...

I can’t speak for spaz obviously. If they are sex slaves against their will then obviously they didn’t make that decision. I’m against breaking the law. The whole thing is degenerate activity. But they made the call to do it for money. I didn’t read where they were made addicted to drugs. That would be forced as well.

But I don’t think the girls should get a pass. I guess mommy didn’t do so well after all.
so the fact that their parenting sucked and left them in a vulnerable position means that they get what they deserve in terms of an extremely mature man paying them for sexual Services when they are underage?

In fact, the 18-year cutoff is exactly intended to protect these type of people, the vulnerable ones, the ones who had sucky childhoods and don't know to steer clear of this

Seriously
 

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Where the ƒuck are you getting this from?
Nowhere! My point to them (in case it was lost in translation) was that I'm certain that you would NOT want pedophilia supported in this site
 

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I can't speak for her but I'm pretty sure it's sarcasm. You'd have to read more of the thread for context.
@Rollo Tomassi definitely sarcasm. This is a site for adult to adult relationships. Prostitution threads and other illegal topics have been shut down. I was certain that there's no way you wanted sex trafficking, pedophilia, etc, etc, being discussed and applauded the way a few members were doing. I was genuinely surprised they felt comfortable enough to commit those beliefs here
 

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To anyone who doesn't understand
There are a LOT of factors as to why a child could be vulnerable, weak and/or sexualized at a young age. As a wide arc, these include male related issues, but can also be caused by other situatiins.

Rape, molestation, exposure to poronography, a child who is lacking male attention and learned they could get it by being sexual, the promise of income to a poor household, poor parenting strategies, the list is ENDLESS.

None of that justifies a mature adult swooping in and preying on a child weakness or vulnerabilities, even if the child is acting sexualized.

It means they are a mentally fvcked up individual.
 
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@Ranger <Cough> I mean Epic, now that you don't have Rollo backing up your points about the big bad feminine imperative, I think it's time that you surrender this handle too and delete all your posts out of embarrassment, as you did the last one, and get a new handle.

Go ahead, you have my permission to do that.
I recant on nothing. Absolutely nothing. Besides, you are no longer authoritatively valid.
Yep, all those single mommy produced 14 & 15 year old street walkers. It’s sad.
 

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Yep, all those single mommy produced 14 & 15 year old street walkers. It’s sad.
So if the sex trafficked children don't become mommies or street walkers, then the sex trafficking of minors is a valid cause?

Just stop now. Before I get into this debate. And we all know how that will turn out for both you and Spaz.
 

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So if the sex trafficked children don't become mommies or street walkers, then the sex trafficking of minors is a valid cause?

Just stop now. Before I get into this debate. And we all know how that will turn out for both you and Spaz.
You’re certifiable. Holy crap. There’s no debate. You’re insane.
I’m going to finish these flow calcs.
Epic days out.
 
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