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So "Conventional" Marriages and Dating Suck: What is Your Solution?

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There are tons of guys on here who complain about everything (including myself): women are all fat and ugly and tatted, asian women too selective, slvts not selective enough, it's endless. Online dating is useless, swipe apps are bots only, yada yada yada.

One thing I NEVER see are posts about solutions. No one has a game plan for any viable alternative. As far as cold approach pickup, as someone already pointed out, it's an enormous time sink and stressful even for those rare few who are good at it. For everyone else, it's a colossal failure in every way conceivable.

So, most of you are determined never to get married, what is your alternative? Some of you are settling for long term relationships but would rather be playing the field and bedhopping, but that's not a solution since you don't actually want to be involved in a long term relationship.

I don't expect any answers but if cold approach pickup is a time sink, then the same can be applied to complaining endlessly about 'conventional' marriage and dating without even thinking about much less pursuing your ideal relationship.
 

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There are tons of guys on here who complain about everything (including myself): women are all fat and ugly and tatted, asian women too selective, slvts not selective enough, it's endless. Online dating is useless, swipe apps are bots only, yada yada yada.

One thing I NEVER see are posts about solutions. No one has a game plan for any viable alternative.
+1

The dating market doesn't suck, and all girls are not wh0res. That's a fact.

I would suggest taking a trip to a small town one Saturday. Find a local flea market or festival that's going on. County fairs in rural areas.
 

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There are 9 paths. Choose one.
 

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The world is getting messed up. My solution was porn but nasty and fatties are taking over there too. Take a look at playboy it's all fatties there too. Look at any porn sites the top results are all fatties.

It used to be hot and slim was good. But men like fatties now.
 

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The solutions are very simple and they all involve denying Masculine Morality, we cannot continue to follow in the foot steps of the men before us, if you are subverting marriage and children, you are on the right path... Marriage OR Children is the answer, but not both, so you have kids with a genetic mate then marry a marriage mate... To invest all resources into a single woman is just Neanderthal at this point.

If you really want to shed every ounce of Masculine Morality you can adopt my mindset, which is simply that a woman that is not financially committed, is not committed at all, a woman without finance is a woman without the ability to commit, she will simply commit to the process of enriching herself through you, not to you.
 

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There are tons of guys on here who complain about everything (including myself): women are all fat and ugly and tatted, asian women too selective, slvts not selective enough, it's endless. Online dating is useless, swipe apps are bots only, yada yada yada.

One thing I NEVER see are posts about solutions. No one has a game plan for any viable alternative. As far as cold approach pickup, as someone already pointed out, it's an enormous time sink and stressful even for those rare few who are good at it. For everyone else, it's a colossal failure in every way conceivable.

So, most of you are determined never to get married, what is your alternative? Some of you are settling for long term relationships but would rather be playing the field and bedhopping, but that's not a solution since you don't actually want to be involved in a long term relationship.

I don't expect any answers but if cold approach pickup is a time sink, then the same can be applied to complaining endlessly about 'conventional' marriage and dating without even thinking about much less pursuing your ideal relationship.
You must be new.

My solution is catch and release. I'm not playing house. My ambition isn't the beaten path nor raising Chad or Tyrones baby.

Personally, I run game. I sniper approach. 7 days a week is retarded if you got a life. The world has changed. It's hard mode. A better ROI is to live a good life. Build systems, acquire the bag, have streams of income, and yes get girls.

What you are looking for is a handbook to follow. You got to put the big boy pants on and get it done. Nobody is going to hold your hand and give you the secrets. It's men exchanging notes. Most guys can't approach. Don't pull. Much of YouTube Is full of shills pedaling rubbish. Vet your gurus.

Solution to what? Play house? Follow the beaten path? Marry Tyrones gang bang slut? You are free. Go get girls. Pull. The shackles of being a house hubby is over. What do you want?
 

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My solution is catch and release. I'm not playing house. My ambition isn't the beaten path nor raising Chad or Tyrones baby.

Solution to what? Play house? Follow the beaten path? Marry Tyrones gang bang slut? You are free. Go get girls. Pull. The shackles of being a house hubby is over. What do you want?
You are going to be a player forever. I tend to like longer term things. We have slightly different goals. However, neither one of us is going to play house. I know so many guys still playing house. We're both from the Millennial generation. Playing house ended with the Boomers.

Personally, I run game. I sniper approach. 7 days a week is retarded if you got a life. The world has changed. It's hard mode. A better ROI is to live a good life. Build systems, acquire the bag, have streams of income, and yes get girls.
Yes!!

What you are looking for is a handbook to follow. You got to put the big boy pants on and get it done. Nobody is going to hold your hand and give you the secrets. It's men exchanging notes. Most guys can't approach. Don't pull. Much of YouTube Is full of shills pedaling rubbish. Vet your gurus.
Approaching is difficult, which is why most men can't do it. There are some decent learning materials out there but most is shiit.
 

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You are going to be a player forever. I tend to like longer term things. We have slightly different goals. However, neither one of us is going to play house. I know so many guys still playing house. We're both from the Millennial generation. Playing house ended with the Boomers.
I feel like a young man still. I saw a grey puberty the other day

I saw a PTW with Tristan Tate. Dudes a lifetime playboy on another level. I was shocked to hear he has a kid or kids? Even a lifetime playboy.

The idea of a wife seems absurd especially in the west. I understand the desire though for a man wanting kids. It's just not conducive in the west nor western modern women.

Yes!!

Approaching is difficult, which is why most men can't do it. There are some decent learning materials out there but most is shiit.
Which do you find you took value from? Slightly different goals as in? I think a nomad a lifestyle that could give way to something new but in a manner you could go scorched earth if needs be.

Similar to @darksprezzatura leveling up is the only way forward.
 

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There are tons of guys on here who complain about everything (including myself): women are all fat and ugly and tatted, asian women too selective, slvts not selective enough, it's endless. Online dating is useless, swipe apps are bots only, yada yada yada.

One thing I NEVER see are posts about solutions. No one has a game plan for any viable alternative. As far as cold approach pickup, as someone already pointed out, it's an enormous time sink and stressful even for those rare few who are good at it. For everyone else, it's a colossal failure in every way conceivable.

So, most of you are determined never to get married, what is your alternative? Some of you are settling for long term relationships but would rather be playing the field and bedhopping, but that's not a solution since you don't actually want to be involved in a long term relationship.

I don't expect any answers but if cold approach pickup is a time sink, then the same can be applied to complaining endlessly about 'conventional' marriage and dating without even thinking about much less pursuing your ideal relationship.
Lots of people are still getting married to the contrary what people post on here. The most decent women get married young, in their mid 20s and usually stay married. The decent looking ones past that age seemed married too. And the ones who are older and still in shape are divorced, have been married in the past and damaged. That is what I see down here where I live.

If cold approach is a time sink, OLD is the usual garbage, then where are you expecting men to meet women? Colleges were remote or locked down, and many still require silly mask and have restricted activities, and because of MeToo the last 6 or so years many men don't want to get involved in the workplace. If you're making $120,000 at a job do you want to risk that for one complaint when Jane turns sour and decides she wants to get you into trouble just out of spite and get you fired? If you're young and it's a garbage job you hate anyway, sure go for it because right now you can easily walk in and get another job.
 

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The idea of a wife seems absurd especially in the west. I understand the desire though for a man wanting kids. It's just not conducive in the west nor western modern women.
There are Western men who wants kids who are moving to Eastern Europe, Asia, or Latin America to mate longer term with a more conventional woman. Bringing one of those women back to the West is a bad idea and some men do that.

Most Western men are beta males ending up playing house with some Western woman.

Slightly different goals as in?
I look for longer term relationships but don't play house. I've made it to 38 with no marriages and no kids. You catch and release. You are closer to player forever, I am closer to serial monogamist.
 

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It correlates to your level of self esteem and confidence.

Insecure men "have to" find/have a girlfriend and often settle for less than desirable women because it's better than the alternative of being "alone." I see it in my social circle and on SS. They get comfortable in the married or LTR life and their health and identity goes to s*hit.

So if you have a high level of self esteem, women are WAY down on your list of priorities. You're ok being alone, hanging with friends, and focusing on YOU and YOUR life.

So the "solution" OP is simple: Build a life for yourself and pursue your goals OR cash in your chips because life isn't a Disney movie and you can't have both at once. Divorce rate in US is 50-60% and a good chunk of the remainder are likely not happy in marriage. Many on this site have been married and divorced. Ask them.

No thank you.

You can "date" and have fun without you losing you.

Good luck.
 

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Well.... there are no solutions... there is no game plan... that focuses solely on getting and keeping women. That is all dating coach and PUA posturing so they can make money. If PUAs and dating coaches really worked you wouldn't see so many miserable people trying to find partners.

All you can do is be the best version of yourself you can (this requires a lot of fvcking work), make an effort , and not fvck up. Do this and women will chase you. Also accept the fact that no man can get any women he wants... if the chick doesn't want you, there is NOTHING in the world you can do to change her mind. If after a REALISTIC assessment of yourself, you figure you are a 7, you are not going to get women that are 7-10, you want hot chick, you have to be hot yourself... and on BTW hot chicks are a pain in the @ss.

You are going to fail... and you will fail more than you succeed. I have had women shoot me down hard... I mean REALLY hard, you just can not let that get to you. These b1tches are NOTHING, instead of getting all butt hurt about this just develop the attitude that since she is nothing, then her opinion is irrelevant. She doesn't like you.... so what.... her loss.... moving on. You have to get to the point where this is you.

The biggest problem is that too many men let their egos control them.... add to that many men put women on pedestals, and you get this.
 

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I feel like a young man still. I saw a grey puberty the other day

I saw a PTW with Tristan Tate. Dudes a lifetime playboy on another level. I was shocked to hear he has a kid or kids? Even a lifetime playboy.

The idea of a wife seems absurd especially in the west. I understand the desire though for a man wanting kids. It's just not conducive in the west nor western modern women.



Which do you find you took value from? Slightly different goals as in? I think a nomad a lifestyle that could give way to something new but in a manner you could go scorched earth if needs be.

Similar to @darksprezzatura leveling up is the only way forward.
Self actualisation is my purpose.
Being the best of what I can be with what what I have.

We get access to money as a by-product of contributing value to the workspace.

Similarly, we get access to sex as a by-product of our personality.

- social skills
- style statement
- fitness/looks
- education
- wealth
- body language
- voice
- risk taking ability
- an interesting life

are important factors for the same.

Chasing the byproduct might get us some action, but it's nothing in comparison to what we get once we know what we deserve.

Like @DEEZEDBRAH says be ruthless with your time, pull or next, it's a sport.
 

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There are Western men who wants kids who are moving to Eastern Europe, Asia, or Latin America to mate longer term with a more conventional woman. Bringing one of those women back to the West is a bad idea and some men do that.

Most Western men are beta males ending up playing house with some Western woman.



I look for longer term relationships but don't play house. I've made it to 38 with no marriages and no kids. You catch and release. You are closer to player forever, I am closer to serial monogamist.
It's incredible. Night and day difference. There's cultures that it's common for long distance ltr while immigration and acquired citizenship. This is not the norm globally and especially here in the west. As you said, once adoption of western world tactics it's game over.

I think there's sociopathy that accompanied pickupand just seeing what is. Ironically enough, I am from the nuclear family. My parents are married still. I'm from the last few marriages of our time that didn't end up a product of the divorce machine. I had stability that isn't common but I would date women who are a by product of divorce and trauma. It helped me in some ways but it hindered me in dating a sick and dying culture.

Curious is curious? Are you willing to go scorched earth? Abandon the country and everything else to start fresh and new? I am. My ambition is slightly different but individual sovereignty is becoming a relic of the past. A man must be willing to go out on his shield for something.

There's nothing really left for men in the west beyond catch and release.
 

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Self actualisation is my purpose.
Being the best of what I can be with what what I have.

We get access to money as a by-product of contributing value to the workspace.

Similarly, we get access to sex as a by-product of our personality.

- social skills
- style statement
- fitness/looks
- education
- wealth
- body language
- voice
- risk taking ability
- an interesting life

are important factors for the same.

Chasing the byproduct might get us some action, but it's nothing in comparison to what we get once we know what we deserve.

Like @DEEZEDBRAH says be ruthless with your time, pull or next, it's a sport.
Self actualization is purpose. Sadly, with debasement of currency and governments parade of free money printing, Maslows hierarchy of basic needs is going to be wrecked.

@darksprezzatura nailed it. Moving like the house is on fire.
 

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So if you have a high level of self esteem, women are WAY down on your list of priorities. You're ok being alone, hanging with friends, and focusing on YOU and YOUR life.
...until you get to be about 55 or 60, your health starts to decline little by little as you get even older, and then you realize that there's nobody to help take care of you.

The guy never bothered to create any deep, emotional connections or form meaningful relationships with anyone. So now he spends his twilight years in an assisted living facility or a nursing home, all alone with nobody who gives a sh!t about him.

All the slvts he fvcked, all the bartenders that hooked him up at the club, all the 'boys' he hung out with and had great times with...they're not going to be there for him in his old age.

I get what you're saying about 'focus on your own life,' but at a certain point, every man comes to the realization that life is about much more than fvcking, drinking, and partying.
 

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Buy house in the suburbs to raise kid(s) with girlfriend.

Get a better higher paying job an hour or 2 away from where I live.

See gf on the weekends.

See side girls in small apartment I'd live in during the week thats close to my job.
 

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I think there's sociopathy that accompanied pickupand just seeing what is. Ironically enough, I am from the nuclear family. My parents are married still. I'm from the last few marriages of our time that didn't end up a product of the divorce machine. I had stability that isn't common but I would date women who are a by product of divorce and trauma. It helped me in some ways but it hindered me in dating a sick and dying culture.
My parents stayed together until I was in high school but with an unhealthy dynamic. There was an eventual divorce.

I think the divorce did show me that the idea of mating for life was bullshiit. Additionally, because my childhood was unhappy (mostly due to a bad relocation decision on the part of my parents), I was not inclined to have kids of my own. Without kids, relationships become more transient. I'm not saying that they become less satisfying. I think people stick around bad relationships because of the marriage and kid element. Without those, it'll shorten a relationship that is no longer good.

Curious is curious? Are you willing to go scorched earth? Abandon the country and everything else to start fresh and new? I am. My ambition is slightly different but individual sovereignty is becoming a relic of the past. A man must be willing to go out on his shield for something.
I looked into going scorched earth. I considered a relocation from the United States to Latin America. I was never able to get work authorization to work in any Latin American country. I was looking into this in the late 2000s, just as the global economy was faltering.

There's nothing really left for men in the west beyond catch and release.
Yes. I'm willing to do my "catch and release" slightly longer than you seem to do, but although I've said we have different goals, we're essentially at the same outcome.
 
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