So can you or can you not date pretty women as an older man?

[oldmanofthesea]

44 here and I regularly date hot 23-24yo women. The oldest woman I have ever slept with in my life was 40. That was once. Down from there was 35 (twice). The rest have all been 31 or under, with many in their early 20’s. I will admit that most people guess me to be early 30’s and if I’m hanging out with late 20’s friends, most guess I’m their age too. I think that generally a 10-15 year age gap is totally fine with many women so long as you have taken good care of yourself and don’t look really old for your age. No dad outfits, and stay slender.

 

[Lookatu]

44 here and I regularly date hot 23-24yo women. The oldest woman I have ever slept with in my life was 40. That was once. Down from there was 35 (twice). The rest have all been 31 or under, with many in their early 20’s. I will admit that most people guess me to be early 30’s and if I’m hanging out with late 20’s friends, most guess I’m their age too. I think that generally a 10-15 year age gap is totally fine with many women so long as you have taken good care of yourself and don’t look really old for your age. No dad outfits, and stay slender.

Dude, 44 and dating young 20's? I for some reason can't fathom that, at least in my area where I live. Good for you and your genes.

 

[oldmanofthesea]

Dude, 44 and dating young 20's? I for some reason can't fathom that, at least in my area where I live. Good for you and your genes.

There are pros and cons. I had lousy luck with women in my 20’s because I looked so young (and because I was blue pilled). So instead of enjoying it then, I’m enjoying it now. It would have been better to enjoy it in my 20’s, but I’m not complaining.

 

[Epicwinguy]

You mentioned "dating" rather than "hooking up" and so I'll share some dating related perspectives.

After a couple of months of dating an 18 year old, I (at age 32) unwrapped my last virgin. Unlike the majority of above postings, I don't agree that this age ratio is easy and that these young girls are readily available to older men.
Seriously. Look around you. It's not as though every college freshman is passing on a college peer in order to be with a 30 something. My situation was a result of being at the right place at the right time. Perhaps having some prior female experience helped, but overall, it was more a matter of circumstance. On a forum, anyone can post anything, but I'm here to say that most likely, this is your actual reality.

Personally, it's kind of weird in some ways. I remember being with her and hearing an "oldies" song on the radio. I was thinking to myself that when that song was popular, I was in 11 years old. And by 5th grade, I'd already had four or five girlfriends and kissed as many. Meanwhile, she wasn't even yet in her mothers womb. Then I thought to myself... the year that I lost my virginity, she was probably in daycare.

While on college break, I picked her up at her mother's place. When you're sitting at a family table drinking iced tea and staring at a mother that was nine years older than me and a girlfriend that was fourteen years younger than me, it does give a man some perspective.

Again, your topic was about dating a much younger woman rather than a simple hook up and so I share my above experience. The sex was good and frequent,at social gatherings, I got evil glares from women my age (which was amusing) and friends my age envied me, but I confess that in some ways, I felt like a creepy old man as well.

I mean I didn’t mean serious dating, but figured hookups would be less likely than dating then ****ing her.

 

[Lookatu]

There are pros and cons. I had lousy luck with women in my 20’s because I looked so young (and because I was blue pilled). So instead of enjoying it then, I’m enjoying it now. It would have been better to enjoy it in my 20’s, but I’m not complaining.

You're like Scott Baio...

 

[Epicwinguy]

I think men also have to get it through their heads that female attraction does not work the same as male attraction.

We men are naturally attracted to youth, smooth glowing skin, a certain waist:hip ratio, tight bodies, etc. It signals she is healthy and fertile (even if you don't want kids)

Men incorrectly think their crows feet, few wrinkles and grey hairs and bald head are going to turn women off since it doesn't look youthful, right? Wrong! A lot of women will see the above as dominating, mature and masculine (a good thing).

This contradicts with a lot of other answers in this thread. If women are so attracted to signs of aging why do older guys need tighter game and six figure incomes?

 

[Ant92]

And by pretty I mean young. I have seen posts saying you can date 19 year old girls in your 30s and I’ve seen posts that say a 35 year old man will only be able to get old ladies his age or older. So in this thread I want to know once and for all how doable it is to date pretty young women.

I had a boxing coach who was 38 dating a 19 year old and she was a little dime piece. I say go for it !

I got a buddy who’s 49 and his girl is 35. I think if you’re older but still active it only makes sense to date younger women.

 

[Epicwinguy]

I should of said a little aging. I am talking about men 35 to 50 perhaps; still in shape but with crow's feet, some wrinkles and grey hair.


I am not referring to a 55+ man who has a belly and looks like a senior citizen.

So you’re saying a 35 year old guy will be more attractive than his 25 year old self, granted he’s not obese?

 

[mrgoodstuff]

So you’re saying a 35 year old guy will be more attractive than his 25 year old self, granted he’s not obese?

He could be with more cash more style more confidence and built the same. But its not usually likely. Alot of men "let themselves go" in their 30's.

 

[oldmanofthesea]

So you’re saying a 35 year old guy will be more attractive than his 25 year old self, granted he’s not obese?

Again, women don’t see attraction the same way as men. When looking at a photo, a 35yo guy CAN look just as good to a woman as that same guy at 25, it’s just that most guys don’t keep themselves up. Secondly, the 35yo version of himself could be more suave, more experienced, more confident, have the means to dress better and make dating more fun, etc etc.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

All I’m willing to say is ‘thank god for daddy issues’.

 

[SW15]

The ones saying a 35 year old man will only be able to get women around his age or older are wrong.

Men shouldn't be dating older women at 35.

Dating women younger than 30 at 35 is a challenge for a lot of men. You're going to have to stand out in some way to achieve it.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

And by pretty I mean young. I have seen posts saying you can date 19 year old girls in your 30s and I’ve seen posts that say a 35 year old man will only be able to get old ladies his age or older. So in this thread I want to know once and for all how doable it is to date pretty young women.

Depends on the guy obviously. Everyone is different. PM me if you want more details.

 

[CAPSLOCK BANDIT]

40 year old women post wall press their ideas onto younger women constantly; she cannot effectively compete anymore, certainly not with a younger woman, so rather than admitting defeat, what the older woman does is try to circumvent the competition by attacking younger women who date older men with gossip, proxy mutual friends and traditional values.

Even if the older woman does not get the man, her blowing up the relationship is still in her favor.

So you can date younger women as an older man, but there is a level of politics going on that you may not be privy if unaware. L

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

If a man looks good in his 30s and has the height, he should be able to pull 21 years old with his eyes closed. Obviously a 45 year old man won’t be able to pull a 18 year old, but he can still do OK.

Woman can still look ok in their mid 30s, but once they hit 37-38, it’s completely over. Look at Kaley Cuoco, hottest thing at 18. She just turned 35, looks pretty old. Look at Megan Markle, 39, looks disgusting. I‘m not young and I’m not Ryan Reynolds, but man, they say women start to feel invisible at 50. I would say 37.

It’s brutal out there.

+1. James Tusk is mid 30s and not struggling. The rsd crew is starting to look rough lulz. Fertility is declining after 23. Back in my day, women were starting to get the itch before 25. Weirdos linger at 27/28. Today, it's post wall 30+ CC and wants kids one day. Autistic and retarded or crazy kids. Fellas need to grow a ****ing spine and have self respect. Not wife up the first busted skank off the carousel.

Fellas got time. Women got a shorter shelf life than men. A egg drops every month but they act like they have eternity. A older brother podcast talked about the left over women epidemic. The coming wasteland is upon us.

Fellas need to get the bag or be on trajectory to do so. Lift. Have game. At least competence. The sourcing women is just routine.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

Men shouldn't be dating older women at 35.

Dating women younger than 30 at 35 is a challenge for a lot of men. You're going to have to stand out in some way to achieve it.

Early 30s. I got picked up in a grocery store by baeee age 18. No the norm I know but I spent a lot of time on game. On breaking (not building) rapport. Typical of the game to pull 18-28. The more I double down, the more I become rigid about it.

I don't disagree with you but taking the shot should be second nature. If men spam approach, chain gunning pickup, it's going to happen. If I were to bet on the issue, most fellas are lazy, don't approach, and when they do it's a one off and they walk on egg shells.

It's all practice and regardless of aesthetics and age. Lastly, as stated before, a cute solid 6 age 18 I will take over hotter late 20s something.

 

[Guitar_Whizz]

I just turned 40 last month, and I still regularly approach, date and hook up with girls MUCH younger than me. My preferred age is late teens - early 20s if I'm totally honest. It probably helps that I look quite a bit younger than my actual age (people usually guess late 20s - early 30s if asked), but my age has so far not proven to be a problem for me.

Here the answer: It's just a limiting belief to say you can't get girls below a certain age just because you're above a certain age. If you want to go for much younger girls, then go for it no matter what age you are (just keep it legal, of course).

As an older guy you have many advantages over guys her own age - your own house, independence, better 'game'/more experience with women, better in bed, and just a more mature personality and outlook on life. Don't look at your age as a disadvantage, look at it as a plus! Keep yourself in good shape, dress well, be mature and confident and approach those younger chicks like a boss and you'll be fine.

 

[Camus37]

I just turned 38 and last year I hooked up with 29 (I think) new girls, ages ranging from 20 to 37. Average age was about 25. A few sixes, lots of 7s and 8s and a few 9s.

My game is good (I worked as a coach for RSD in the past). And genetics has something to do with it (I get told I look early 30s). Working out is massively important too.

The only time I really doubt myself is when I read all the stuff online about how it isn't possible. Not here necessarily but on youtube and social media. Guys are so black pilled nowadays. They think it's all about logical things like age and money and exaggerate the importance of good looks (by that I don't mean being in relatively good shape, which *is* important, but bull**** about jawlines etc). This is why, for all its flaws, I miss RSD. Pickup is about emotions and about how you make the girl feel. If you make them feel attraction they will rationalize away the logical objections a lot of the time.

Sure, if you only date on apps then some girls are gonna screen you out because of your age. Women pre-select for things on apps which they don't care about in real life. Because they have so many people to screen in the first place. Get off the apps and go out and things like age hardly matter. Barely any of the girls I ****ed last year even asked my age until after we'd hooked up. People live in the emotion of the moment. Age can still matter but it's so exaggerated and matters far less if you have game.

One thing I will say is, understand what the different age archetypes are. I'm thinking about this more now myself as I enter the last years of my 30s. So I'm dialing my dress style up a bit - still stylish but a bit smarter. I'm not gonna get away so much with being the carefree fucboi for much longer; I need to bring out a bit more of the suave and cultured older guy. I think being congruent to the most attractive archetype of your masculinity arc is important. The older guy can be extremely attractive to women. However, the older guy trying too hard to fit in by behaving younger is not.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

I just turned 38 and last year I hooked up with 29 (I think) new girls, ages ranging from 20 to 37. Average age was about 25. A few sixes, lots of 7s and 8s and a few 9s.

My game is good (I worked as a coach for RSD in the past). And genetics has something to do with it (I get told I look early 30s). Working out is massively important too.

The only time I really doubt myself is when I read all the stuff online about how it isn't possible. Not here necessarily but on youtube and social media. Guys are so black pilled nowadays. They think it's all about logical things like age and money and exaggerate the importance of good looks (by that I don't mean being in relatively good shape, which *is* important, but bull**** about jawlines etc). This is why, for all its flaws, I miss RSD. Pickup is about emotions and about how you make the girl feel. If you make them feel attraction they will rationalize away the logical objections a lot of the time.

Sure, if you only date on apps then some girls are gonna screen you out because of your age. Women pre-select for things on apps which they don't care about in real life. Because they have so many people to screen in the first place. Get off the apps and go out and things like age hardly matter. Barely any of the girls I ****ed last year even asked my age until after we'd hooked up. People live in the emotion of the moment. Age can still matter but it's so exaggerated and matters far less if you have game.

One thing I will say is, understand what the different age archetypes are. I'm thinking about this more now myself as I enter the last years of my 30s. So I'm dialing my dress style up a bit - still stylish but a bit smarter. I'm not gonna get away so much with being the carefree fucboi for much longer; I need to bring out a bit more of the suave and cultured older guy. I think being congruent to the most attractive archetype of your masculinity arc is important. The older guy can be extremely attractive to women. However, the older guy trying too hard to fit in by behaving younger is not.

Same. I miss the old rsd content. I know that it was disingenuous on looks but you can pull regardless. I notice fellas skew the age on apps because of the settings that can keep you from sight.

It's only when you look rough, old, premature greying, and you lack any game or lifestyle that will hurt a man. Forty plus without a pot to piss in isn't a good time.

 

[Camus37]

Same. I miss the old rsd content. I know that it was disingenuous on looks but you can pull regardless. I notice fellas skew the age on apps because of the settings that can keep you from sight.

It's only when you look rough, old, premature greying, and you lack any game or lifestyle that will hurt a man. Forty plus without a pot to piss in isn't a good time.

For sure. The way Tyler used to go on rants about looks being irrelevant was definitely disingenuous. Looks obviously do matter to a point. But I do get where he was coming from: what's the point of dwelling on it? Improve what you can - gym, nutrition, grooming - and move on.

All the guys who would go out a lot back in the day would get better to the point where they could land a girl. Not necessarily the hottest girl but infinitely better than they could get before they learned game. That's a beautiful thing and that mentality helped so many guys. It's certainly better than what's come since, which seems to be this highly deterministic and rigid worldview where you have to have specific facial proportions and height to get laid. Everyone who has walked through the fire night after night in the club and has got their stripes knows it isn't true. But you have to go through that to understand it and see the matrix, so to speak.